Who Reports this crap?

[Mr. Burgundy]

My question is why isnt sutton running with the twos with Jstew out? He was way more productive that goodson

[RedMage138]

Actually I disagree. We played tampa 2 as our base around 50% of the time (sometimes zone under, sometimes man under). We played cover 1 rover around 25% of the time and the rest- cover 3, cover 4, cover 5, the other 25%.

Just sayin....................

We must not have been watching the same games because towards the end of the season it was a lot more cover 1 rover than anything else.

[The Saltman]

Panther 55 is always right don't question his authoritayy

[panthers55]

Panther 55 is always right don't question his authoritayy

Exactly. Yeah I know you are being sarcastic.

[panthers55]

We must not have been watching the same games because towards the end of the season it was a lot more cover 1 rover than anything else.

First of all we play almost exclusive cover 2 most third downs and other passing situations. We may play cover 1 rover when we play a running team or someone who throws alot to the runnning back or throws alot of tight end hook routes or skinny posts

If you look at our last 3 games for example you could make a case for us using a cover 1 rover some of the time in the first half against Green Bay and in the second half against New Orleans when they were running out the clock. With Peterson running you might put the SS in the box. But after the first half they almost exclusively threw the ball and we wouldn't be using a cover 1 rover against a primarily passing team. They ran ony 14 times and passed 27. And surely against New York which we won 41-9, they were throwing most of the game. They ran 13 times and passed 43 times.

Perhaps we did play it more in the last game which was against NO where they ran the ball 32 times and passed it 27 once they had largely given up and were running out the clock.

But based on the amount of running versus passing it is unlikely that we would used it very much at the end of the season. Plus that hardly means we ran it more than the cover 2 during the whole year which was your original assertion. I will admit that while watching the game I rarely take the time to count how many times we use a particular formation, but based on all these factors it is very unlikely we used a rover 1 formation unless a team was gashing us with the run which none of those noted above did. Honestly it would hve been believable if you had said we ran it more in the first half of the season when we were giving up big chunks against the run. But nothing in the stats, our general tendencies or game situation would support we ran it more than the cover 2 or Tampa 2.

[mmmbeans]

game 17?

[MadHatter]

game 17?

I am sure he meant Week 17.

[MadHatter]

Since we only play the nickel around 20-25% of the time and the other 75% of the time we play some version of the cover 2, he is listed as the second corner and plays that most of the time. Munnerlyn did switch off and play the second corner on some of the nickel packages only because Marshall was better at it (munnerlyn was still learning) and against specific guys. But unlike a nickel Marshall started the game at corner and played all game.

So I was correct and your correction of me correcting him who corrected the original writer was incorrect.

You are both correct.

Munnerlyn was the Nickel Back....third CB in in the Nickel Package.

However, in the Nickle Package, Marshall took the slot receiver (typical Nickle Position) and Munnerlyn slid outside.

[panthers55]

You are both correct.

Munnerlyn was the Nickel Back....third CB in in the Nickel Package.

However, in the Nickle Package, Marshall took the slot receiver (typical Nickle Position) and Munnerlyn slid outside.

Sometimes he did and sometimes he stayed at corner depending on who he was matched up again. Part of that is because in meeks system parts like Nickel or corner are interchangeable. It was also a function of Munnerlyn not really being that good in the nickel which may change this year. And the third part is that historically our corners didn't change or switch to account for number 1 receivers, number 2 receivers, and the slot guy. Teams could easily exploit us by simply moving the receivers around until they got the matchups they wanted. By using Marshall at times against the slot receiver especially when they used their first or second receiver in the slot or in the case of Welker, their best receiver, we were able to limit what opponents could do and match up better.

[MadHatter]

Sometimes he did and sometimes he stayed at corner depending on who he was matched up again. Part of that is because in meeks system parts like Nickel or corner are interchangeable. It was also a function of Munnerlyn not really being that good in the nickel which may change this year. And the third part is that historically our corners didn't change or switch to account for number 1 receivers, number 2 receivers, and the slot guy. Teams could easily exploit us by simply moving the receivers around until they got the matchups they wanted. By using Marshall at times against the slot receiver especially when they used their first or second receiver in the slot or in the case of Welker, their best receiver, we were able to limit what opponents could do and match up better.

Agreed.

Marshall showed a nice ability to play the nickle position during his rookie year. It was smart of Meeks to mix things up based on ability rather than stick with just position.

[panthers55]

Agreed.

Marshall showed a nice ability to play the nickle position during his rookie year. It was smart of Meeks to mix things up based on ability rather than stick with just position.

That was one of the things I disliked about Trgo's pass defense. It was so predictable that teams knew exactly how to beat it. I remember Arizona in 2008 in the playoffs saying that when they moved Fitzgerald around to beat us constantly they knew he would be open because we never shifted our corners or assigned a guy to one receiver no matter where he went all season. By the time we made the adjustment at halftime it was too late.

[ThunderKat]

It was my understanding that the Panthers played cover 1 when Chris Harris failed to maintain his section of the field, so in order to make better use of his skill set the Panthers decided to use mainly cover 1 the last half of the season. By Harris not having a lot of speed contributed to us changing the strategy halfway through.

[mmmbeans]

I am sure he meant Week 17.

that makes alot more sense.

[DickolausJ]

I think we used Cover 1 a lot more last year to create some actual pash rush and for run blitzing since our front four were weak last year; again. When I say a lot more I mean, more than when that scrub Trgovac was around, which when he was around, was never.

I also think Gamble played both left and right side a lot more last season after complaining at the end of the 2008-2009 that he wasn't moved around enough to cover the number one receiver, specifically in that playoff game against the Cardinals. I thought Munnerlyn played really good man defense, atleast better then Marshall, and in some games and as good as if not better then Gamble, so we didn't actually have to move around Gamble as much

We did run Cover 2 overall, more than Cover 1 last year, although I have no idea what that has to do with Marshal playing as a nickel defender. I really didn't keep track either but it seemed that anytime all three cornerbacks were in the game, Marshall always covered the slot receiver, probably because he is better at it then Munnerlyn. I did see Godfrey cover the slot a few times too, even a linebacker on occasion, probably by accident.

Isn't that how a nickel defender is defined? When a linebacker, usually the Sam linebacker is brought out of the game so you have better coverage in a three reciver set, or if they have a really good passing tight end?

Cover 1 is usually utilized when you wan't to play with another saftey in the box so the team is better at stopping the run/pressuring the line of scrimmage.

I think this is my bad in the end because the Sports Update was basically trying to say Gamble is our first CB, Marshal our 2nd, and Munnerlyn our 3rd. Which is true although I think when we run cover 2, based on last year Munnerlyn should be in there more than Marshall.

Well that was long and boring, but hey, I think we can all agree that Goodson post was retarded.