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How The Polls Are Ranking The Panthers


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Finally, someone admits that the Panthers are dangerous, instead of writing them off as some ragtag bunch of bums.

It's not like they think we're good but won't admit it. We need like 13 guys to step up in signifigant ways so there is potential for greatness because every single one of them has great talent. There is also the potential for extreme suckiness because of how inexperienced these guys are. Combine that with our inconsistent nature and being in a small market nobody will have the stones to pick us. It's a lot safer to just say we'll suck.

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Not 3 yet:

Claimed off waivers by Carolina (9/2/07)

This is what you chose to pick on? OK, he's starting his 4th year now, but has still ouplayed Kolb so far, yet Kolb is already being touted as a better QB by a lot of experts.

What's funny, is that if Moore continues to outplay Kolb, they will all say that he came out of nowhere, which is only true for those that chose to ignore or downplay what he has done so far.

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It's not like they think we're good but won't admit it. We need like 13 guys to step up in signifigant ways so there is potential for greatness because every single one of them has great talent. There is also the potential for extreme suckiness because of how inexperienced these guys are. Combine that with our inconsistent nature and being in a small market nobody will have the stones to pick us. It's a lot safer to just say we'll suck.

Particularly when we have our share of injuries as well. First Davis and now Smitty. At least Smith should be back in time for the season opener. Still training camp hasn't even started yet. Could be a long preseason.

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