So what ELSE went wrong?

[George Shinnsplints]

Well in Stan's defense Mr. Scot, I think we can attribute 20 of Arizona's points to those turnovers, and that being the margin of victory...Delhomme's play alone may have cost us the game.

That's not to say that the playcalling/defense/etc wasn't atrocious, and those probably cost us some points, but I think we could have won in spite of them if Delhomme had an average game or better.

[Mr. Scot]

Well in Stan's defense Mr. Scot, I think we can attribute 20 of Arizona's points to those turnovers, and that being the margin of victory...Delhomme's play alone may have cost us the game.

That's not to say that the playcalling/defense/etc wasn't atrocious, and those probably cost us some points, but I think we could have won in spite of them if Delhomme had an average game or better.

Delhomme was, in my mind, the biggest reason for the loss tonight, but no one player ever loses a game by himself (not even a starting QB).

For example, had the run blocking been there past one series, there wouldn't have been the need to go to the pass near as much.

I'd throw in that the guys who committed crucial third down penalties that negated three and outs (Lewis and Marshall if I remember correctly) certainly didn't help. Neither did Jeremy Bridges whiffing on a couple of blocks.

Biggest issue for me though, Trgovac's game plan for defending the Cardinals was awful, maybe one of the worst I've ever seen. If the offense had been clicking, the game still would have likely been a shootout, and I'm not sure we could've won that type of game.

[Snake]

Delhomme was, in my mind, the biggest reason for the loss tonight, but no one player ever loses a game by himself (not even a starting QB).

For example, had the run blocking been there past one series, there wouldn't have been the need to go to the pass near as much.

I'd throw in that the guys who committed crucial third down penalties that negated three and outs (Lewis and Marshall if I remember correctly) certainly didn't help. Neither did Jeremy Bridges whiffing on a couple of blocks.

Biggest issue for me though, Trgovac's game plan for defending the Cardinals was awful, maybe one of the worst I've ever seen. If the offense had been clicking, the game still would have likely been a shootout, and I'm not sure we could've won that type of game.

Dont take away from what the Cards were doing on Defense. They played man very well and didnt let anyone get open down field. There Dline was getting pressure from coverage just as much as they were from the rush.

[House]

The Cardinals are fuging good. Deal with it bitches.

[Mr. Scot]

Discussed elsewhere: I have a huge philosophical pet peeve when it comes to this defense.

Fox and Trgovac believe in assigning corners to a certain side of the field and letting them match up with whomever lines up on that side.

The Panthers aren't the only team that does this, but I hate the practice myself. It really leaves you vulnerable to mismatches, and football is all about the matchups.

Tonight would have been an ideal night to abandon the "side" assignments and assign Chris Gamble to handle Larry Fitzgerald. Instead, they stuck with the usual practice (with disastrous results).

[Cpt slay a ho]

we expect to much from a average defense,our guys can't prevent teams from scoring on 6 turnovers.

we pass to set up the run,when your qb can't even complete a short curl...then you know ur fuged.plus jake kept zonein in on smith(kinda like romo on T.O and witten),he had a good bit of time in the pocket.yea we didn't run great,but we weren't gonna do one of the two great.clearly passing wasn't in the book.

we also came out just as poor in the second half as the first,i wonder what the pep talk was for halftime....gum and clapping i could only guess

[Mr. Scot]

From the run blocking it seemed nothing to the outside worked. They always stretched it out and shot a gap to hit the RB before he could turn up field. We seemed to have all our success up the gut or behind Otah (I remember one run in particular where the right side of the offensive line completely cleared that side of the field of Arizona D-lineman) but we kept trying those stupid tosses and stretch plays.

Gantt commented that the team had a lot of trouble with Cardinal line stunts.

The Cards have a very good DC (Clancy Pendergast). He's gotten head coach looks before, and he drew up a brilliant scheme tonight.

Something might be said about line chemistry too (i.e. third guy on the depth chart starting at right guard). There were definitely missed assignments.

[Mesmer]

Biggest issue for me though, Trgovac's game plan for defending the Cardinals was awful, maybe one of the worst I've ever seen. If the offense had been clicking, the game still would have likely been a shootout, and I'm not sure we could've won that type of game.

At the pro level? Yeah it was pretty bad. Although one time, years ago, when ECU played Duke...ECU tried defending the full house package out of the nickel and dime for the entire game. I had a headache from that

That, was the single worst gameplan of all time. Trgo's...it was pretty awful, but it can always get worse.

[Mr. Scot]

At the pro level? Yeah it was pretty bad. Although one time, years ago, when ECU played Duke...ECU tried defending the full house package out of the nickel and dime for the entire game. I had a headache from that

That, was the single worst gameplan of all time. Trgo's...it was pretty awful, but it can always get worse.

You mean like the old "20 yard safety" we saw from the Broncos?

[Mesmer]

You mean like the old "20 yard safety" we saw from the Broncos?

Hey, at least it's efficient! You can return punts out of it too!