Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Fox must go. We win in spite of him. Enough is enough.


TylerDurden

Recommended Posts

I'm just having a hard time equating the two. Yes, our division is tougher, but I never saw the implosions that we've had while watching the Cowher-led Steelers. I never remember watching a Steelers game and wondering, "why aren't they adjusting?" He won year in and year out. And his last season was the year that Big Ben got injured in the motorcycle accident and he wasn't right all year.

After Cowher left, and even while he was there, I never remember multiple players mentioning they weren't behind him, or even suggesting it. By all accounts, his players rallied behind him. I never really feel that with Fox.

Well right now we have one player who's saying it's not just Fox, he's not going to play in Carolina no matter what. Last year we had a player rip both his teammates and the coaching staff. Other than that, we seem to have a pretty damn good team.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

it was a figurative analogy. that statement was based more on lebron than it was cowher... simply put, cowher is a proven leader of men, fox hasn't shown that capacity.

100% correct. As it were, his replacement is also a "leader of men". Mike Tomlin is a fine coach. The Steelers do it right! There's no arguing that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm with the fire Fox folks. He will never be able to out coach anyone in the playoffs when it counts. He cant motivate his players. He is far to loyal to his players and coaches to make needed changes. As Fox would say, "It is what it is." What is is, is Vanilla ass football. I wanted him gone before the season ever started. Sure he had a 12-4 record and made the playoffs with abye. Then total pwnage by Arizona. We also got pwned in the Seattle NFC championship game. Per Fox those were just "bad days." What??? Yeah I know as a Panthers fan there are many "bad days" Days when we are out coached and the team doesnt even show up. I agree with Proudiddy...the Panthers win in spite of horrible coaching. I'm all for hiring Cowher.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No, Peppers has not made it clear he doesn't have the teams ears, hearts or minds, Peppers has made it clear, Fox does not have his.

The biggest mistake imo was making Peppers a captain, he doesn't want that scrutiny and he buckled under the pressure.

Fox is one of the best head coaches post season record wise. His last two trips got him to a superbowl where he lost to the greatest coach of modern time, and then took a very weak team to an NFCCG.

This was the first game where he failed to get past the divisional round, in his career. It wasn't his calls, or his arm that threw 5 interceptions, he didn't fumble a football. He didn't give up turnovers that lead to 23 points.

He didn't blow his zone on third down which allowed another 7.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree. We weren't 12-4 this season because of Fox. He's a defensive coach and our defense sucked for the entire second half of the year. We were 12-4 because we have one of the best WRs in football and a kick ass running game led by DeAngelo Williams. That's funny, considering Fox had so little faith in Williams that he drafted a RB in the first round. Then, he tries to play up how improved Williams is, because he doesn't want to look stupid (the guy was already averaging 5 yds last season).

The fact of the matter is, this team has never had a truly dominant defense under Fox (except maybe '02 when Del Rio was coordinator). This, despite the fact that defense is Fox's specialty.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No, Peppers has not made it clear he doesn't have the teams ears, hearts or minds, Peppers has made it clear, Fox does not have his.

The biggest mistake imo was making Peppers a captain, he doesn't want that scrutiny and he buckled under the pressure.

Fox is one of the best head coaches post season record wise. His last two trips got him to a superbowl where he lost to the greatest coach of modern time, and then took a very weak team to an NFCCG.

This was the first game where he failed to get past the divisional round, in his career. It wasn't his calls, or his arm that threw 5 interceptions, he didn't fumble a football. He didn't give up turnovers that lead to 23 points.

He didn't blow his zone on third down which allowed another 7.

No but it was his call to continuing inactivating a receiver. Leaving our 3rd receiver out there and never receiving the ball

It was his call to use Moose and Smith through the passing game all year. Which resulted to the Cards knowing the ball would go directly to them, and they picked it off. ALL OF JAKE INT CAME FROM THROWING TO SMITH AND MOOSE, WHO FAULT IS THAT. Its Fox call that we dont run plays for others in the passing game

It was Fox call to use a soft zone all year and no make adjustments. And ever since the first bye week, teams threw all on us. Fox call to not run man against the Cards to keep Gamble on him all game. Instead our zone allowed Larry to go in the slot and go against Marshall

Fox decision to make excuses about us giving up yards cause we played great offenses

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Now I do not think Fox is all evil and incompetent. But you cannot hide under the 12-4 record. We did win in spite of his lack of adjustments and game plan.

If you saw every snap of every game then you would know how many times in a game a veteran Madden player makes better defensive adjustments and clock management. I mean Deangelo carved up the Giants on Monday night...but you put in Jonathan Stewart in the overtime. hmmm........ stuff like that.

The Arizona game is so frustrating b/c where we broke down were all areas of concern all year......last year....we have seen these decisions and lack of adjustments. Just remember the 1st Tampa Bay game where we were just non-competitive.

One thing is consistent: we do not make the playoffs two years in a row. All those defenders of 12-4 that view Fox as "the perfect guy" will you be saying the same thing after 8-8 next season? It is funny to see people here defend Foxie then point how flawed Cowher or Shotty is.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • In my view, the realistic expectation for this team to compete will start 2027.  At that time, I think we could be looking at the following (this is HIGHLY speculative):   QB:  You know, Bryce.  I am not a fan, but they don't ask me.  But there is reason for hope--and here it is.  Bryce will be entering his prime.  Since we are likely to pay him, there will be changes that I include throughout this exercise--I realistically speculate on what they are going to do with Bryce and then I realistically speculate on what means in terms of the cap and other positions. Bryce HAS IMPROVED.  The idea is that if you give him more weapons and protection, that will continue.  His career:   At this rate, if his growth continues, by 2027 we should expect nearly 30 TDs and about 12 Interceptions and a Rating of about 98.  His completion percentage should settle at 65-66% or so.  If that happens, you can win with it. The following stats demonstrate how the Panthers will be able to afford it (and re-sign Ickey) My guess is they will require about $60m per year. This is why rookies who can play are important.  It also helps us see the blueprint.  You may disagree, but this is the cruel realities of the salary cap. Robert Hunt:  Cut post June 1 and save $19m.  Who do you replace him with?  Ickey. Tershawn Wharton:  Cutting him saves nearly $15m.  We should all hope to see Aaron Hall (UDFA) make the roster and play well.  Regardless, this is a position we would likely have to address in the next draft. Trevin Moehrig:  Cutting Moehrig as the starting SS saves this team $16.5m.   Ransom will be on year 3 of a cheap rookie deal and should be more than ready to take the reins.  their styles are similar.  Furthermore, FS Wheatley (R, 4th round) will be starting. Taylor Moton:  So much depends on his knee, but I have an idea that he can play another 3 years.  extending him could save the team about $5m per year.  Cutting him outright would save the team about $21m. In the most drastic situation, we have to cut Moton and the other three players mentioned.   We would need (in all likelihood) a starting DT and RT.  It is possible that the DE would be addressed, but Wharton's production (so far) could be equaled by a rookie.  Look for a cut free agent and a 2027 draft pick here.  If you cut Moton, you save $21m, and that would be the only big hole to fill.  Having Ickey at RG gives you some depth at T, and Ickey could be the guy.  T could be pick in the 2027 draft (first round), fwiw.  It saves you $21m while costing you $5m, for example. We get younger, creating a core of Freeling, Hecht, and the RT first rounder in 2027) along with Ekownu (second contract in the $15m range, and Lewis, whose contract would be in the $16m range if not extended.)  The OL cuts (Hunt, Moton) would save $40m.  The OL would get younger and still solid with veterans at G.   By cutting Wharton (no brainer if his play stays the same) and Moehrig (good player--but we have Ransom on a rookie contract who would not be that much of a drop off--if any) in addition to Hunt and Moton, we would save over $70m in cap room. We would be able to give Bryce bag  and we would have enough to re-sign Ickey (if the knee is not too risky) to a Guard contract (probably at a discount, coming off that injury).  Furthermore, we could add a RT in the draft (or a RG if Ickey moves to RT) and that would be the only large hole to fill. Correct my logic if you see issues-- On defense, in addition to the aforementioned, Scott ($2m contract) is out, replaced by a 4th round rookie contract. CB Jackson's contract ($7.8m) expires and he is (possibly) replaced by a rookie contract.  At Edge, patrick Jones II's $10m contract expires and he is likely a reserve, and his role is absorbed by Phillips, Scourton, Princely, and possible an UDFA like Isaiah Smith or a 2027 draft pick.   These productive developmental players over the past 2 drafts will pay huge dividends.  On paper, I see the team getting much younger and possibly better while cutting nearly $100m and reallocating that money to get more production.          
    • If everything played out and that last thing happened, I probably just quit. 
×
×
  • Create New...