Official Peppers bitch/whine thread. And TRADE IDEAS HERE!!!!

[Russell]

Said Jenkins.

So Jenkins, currently thriving in a new scheme is playing victim and blaming everything on the defense?

A defense that imploded and played like garbage under Turd..yea, right.

[CarolinaHustla]

It's all business. He served his contract and now its over. Lets just hope the Panthers front office can get the best deal for him. I have read alot of these posts and I think its great what kind of fans we have on here but he did his job and served his time. Kind of like my four year contract for the United States Marine Corps. I did my time. Yea he may of taken some plays off but I think he made some spectacular plays in his tenure here. I hate to see him go but I pull for the Panthers not a player. Just my 2 cents.

[Kurb]

Casserly makes good observations too.

It will be curious to see how he transitions, if that is really what he wants to try.

He has the athleticism, or he HAD it at least.

[Kevin Greene]

Here so hopefully all the Franchise Tag speculation will be right:

When can the Panthers Franchise Tag a player?

Teams can officially designate Franchise Tag Players between Feb 5, 2009 and Feb 19, 2009.

What types of Franchise Tag designations are there?

"Exclusive" or "Non-Exclusive".

What's the difference between "Exclusive" or "Non-Exclusive" players?

Any Club that designates a Franchise Player as "Exclusive" shall be the only Club with which that Franchise Player may negotiate or sign a contract. In order to designate an UFA or RFA as an Exclusive Franchise Player, the team must tender the player a one year contract that is the minimum of the average of the five largest salaries (as calculated at the end of the free agency signing period) for players at the position at which he played the most games during the prior year, or 120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.

If the team elects to name the player "non-exclusive" then the player shall be permitted to negotiate a contract with any Club as if he were an UFA; however, Draft Choice Compensation of TWO first round draft selections shall be awarded to the prior club in the event that he signs with the new club. For Non-Exlusive Franchise Players, the team must tender the player a one year contract that is the minimum of the average of the five largest PRIOR-YEAR salaries for players at the position at which he played the most games in the prior year, or 120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.

So what difference will it make to the Panthers how they designate Peppers if he is traded or signs with another team?

An Excusive Rights Franchised tagged Peppers can only negotiate with the Carolina Panthers. The Panthers can trade his rights to whichever team they make a deal with for whatever compensation the two teams agree upon.

A Non Exclusive Rights Franchise tagged player can negotiate on their own behalf with whichever team is interested in signing them. However, the team signing Peppers would owe the Panthers Two Number One Draft Picks in compensation.

[theadmas]

Pat Kirwin on Sirius radio had an interesting take on this too. He basically started by saying he doesn't know much about Pepper's agent, but that he thinks this was a poor move for Pep. Mentioned that Pep is going to have a real hard time getting sympathy in this economy if we have to slap a 17million, over one million per game, franchise tag on him. As for the 3-4 desires, the idea was thrown out that this idea could be more of a ploy to get more teams into the Peppers hunt... In other words, this could all be about money. I'm not sure that I fully believe that, but then again, it is a reasonable take. They felt Pep may be disappointed if it is about the money, with the economy,it is likely the players contracts don't break as many records this year. Also, something to remember: The franchise tag is undefeated. If we can sign Gross and get room to slap the tag on him, he may hold out, but no body turns down a million dollars a game. Should he play like crap, then he'll only be hurting his chances for a good contract in the next year. Priority number one, has to be Sign Gross (remember that we couldn't negotiate within the season). Take care of other business, and get ourselves in position to franchise and trade Pep. And be grateful we got Gamble signed during the season, dealing with all three of those contracts this offseason would be even worse to deal with.

[SloppyJoe]

One question, can't we all agree that no matter what happens and whatver his actions have been, that we would rather have Peppers on this team? Dude made the team better, what more can you ask for?

[Woodie]

We'll get at least what KC got for Allen. Peppers is a much better run defender, and just about as good a pass rusher. Anyone thinking we don't get a 1st plus additional pick(s) is just being unrealistically pessamistic (possibly some lingering hangover from last week) or a troll from another team.

The truth is Peppers is a better overall player than Allen, not much older, is in his prime (with several strong years still ahead of him), and a freak of an athelete. I think more than one team will look at him and drool at what they think he can do in their defense. I see a real possibility of getting a 1st and 2nd for him...of course if it's a high first, any additional picks will be lower due to value.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm getting a bit "peppered out" myself.

My biggest interest right now is getting a new DC.

I will say that coming off the news of Julius Peppers wanting to leave, if the team turns around and announces they're keeping Mike Trgovac, the fan revolt that may result would make message boards a very "not fun" place to be.

[Snake]

I got his number- call him and ask.

I dont think he would like what I would have to say. Then again I would like to know.. :smilewinkgrin:

[Kurb]

1, 3rd this year from San Fran

[Kevin Greene]

1, 3rd this year from San Fran

Singletary quickly got Vernon Davis' mind right.

*Shudders to think of a motivated Pep with Singletary in his ear.*

[theadmas]

I would only rather have Peppers on this team if he wants to be here. If he is going to have another "down" year like 2007 because he is unhappy with contract issues, then he is absolutely not worth the money we would have to pay him.

[Boltergeist]

Singletary quickly got Vernon Davis' mind right.

*Shudders to think of a motivated Pep with Singletary in his ear.*

or him lining up with Manny Lawson, Takeo Spikes, and Patrick Willis

[Mr. Scot]

Singletary quickly got Vernon Davis' mind right.

*Shudders to think of a motivated Pep with Singletary in his ear.*

Possible.

On the flipside, the thought of a guy who got upset over a tame public challenge from Jerry Richardson dealing with Samurai Mike? :eek: