Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Is it just me or does the 2011 draft class look EXTREMELY weak?

R0CKnR0LLA

By R0CKnR0LLA,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

R0CKnR0LLA Mentor

R0CKnR0LLA

Posted
Posted

I've got maybe 10 guys that are legitimate first round talents, compared to last year where there were over 30.

Many of the top high-value positions (DLine, OT, LBer in particular) are really thin as well. Your most valuable position, QB, Luck is the only one I'd even consider using a 1st round pick on. Anyone else I wouldn't even take at the bottom of the 2nd.

If the Panthers do end up with a top 5 pick, let's see... P.Peterson is one of the best CBs to come out in awhile and is my BPA. AJ Green wouldn't be a terrible pick either but all things being equal I'd take Dez Bryant before him and he slid to 24th overall last year, so is Green really worth a top 5 pick?

Though I wouldn't hate those picks, the real problem is being stuck with no choices. You're basically picking from a couple of players or making a huge reach if you want to fill a specific need.

Then what happens if you end up picking around 10th. In all likelyhood the top QB, DE, DT, WR, and probably top 2 CBs are off the board already. And those are really the only guys I have being worth a 1st at their positions, so what the hell do you do then?

Get one of the 2nd tier DLine prospects that could easily be the next Derrick Harvey? Spend a top 10 pick on a guy that's really a 2nd round talent? Or go BPA and take Ingram so he can get like 10 carries a game?

And just one last thing to consider, Andrew Luck, AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, and Marcell Dareus, the top prospects at their respective positions, are underclassmen and could all stay in school another year. Almost always a projected high 1st rounder will go ahead and declare early but if the CBA doesn't go through then who knows.

Here we come Da'Quan Bowers as our top 10 pick... Oohhh f**k me.... suiciden.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ZedLeppelin Newbie

ZedLeppelin

Posted
Posted

Luck, Peterson and Green are all elite prospects. I'm sure another 3 or 5 guys will solidify themselves as top 10 picks at the combine. Theres a number of first round caliber defensive linemen in the draft, maybe not that elite guy but lots and lots of depth. Theres Ingram at RB too, honestly I really disagree with you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SOJA Veteran

SOJA

Posted
Posted

I agree, the more I think about it the more I want Peterson....why? Because I don't see Marshall re-signing with this team. Gamble is straight but two shut down corners would be huuuuuuge. Plus he is a play-maker and you can never have too many of those.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
R0CKnR0LLA Mentor

R0CKnR0LLA

Posted
  • Author
Posted

A good combine proves you're worth a top 10 pick now? These guys have their entire college careers to show they're elite prospects and if they haven't yet then I don't really care that they ran pretty fast in a straight line without pads.

The whole combine is overrated as hell. It's like people expect a guy to become a dominant player in the NFL because he has great measurables. Well, he had those same physical abilities in college and if he couldn't dominate there against lesser competition what makes you think he will suddenly start to in the NFL?

I remember Mayock saying about the combine, he only uses it to back up what he's already seen on game tape, just another way to further refine the evaluation process. He'd never watch a player struggle on tape and then convince himself he's really a top prospect just because of an insane combine showing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • LinvilleGorge
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By LinvilleGorge · Posted

      No. Physical tools alone aren't enough. There are plenty of examples of draft busts to support that. Aost all of them had the physical tools and that wasn't enough. But Bryce is a perfect example of the opposite. Absolutely elite intangibles aren't enough either. If you simply don't have the physical abilities all the football intelligence and work ethic in the world won't be enough to overcome it. Just look to the sidelines every Sunday. We call those people "coaches".
    • SmokinwithWilly
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By SmokinwithWilly · Posted

      As much as I despise Billy B, his philosophy on QBs is how I would approach things if I were a GM. You always keep looking for your next starter.  He has Bledsoe, who got injured and his backup ended up being the GOAT. Even while he had that going, he kept getting his next guy and developing them. When Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and went 11-5 and they missed the wild card by dumb luck. Who knows how far they would have gone if they had gotten in. Jimmy Gs career started in NE. There were others, but he always kept looking.  You can't be afraid to keep looking for your next starter, but it looks like we're afraid to look for more than a marginal one. If you're going to offer a $25m contract with incentives, that screams marginal QB. It also screams you're just a transition until we find our guy. After a 10 or 11 win season, he's not accepting that offer. And then you're in a Daniel Jones situation. Do you pay for a year of success and pray it wasn't a one year wonder?  To this point, Bryce has really produced nothing, yet for whatever reason, our FO has not even sniffed at the idea that we need a real QB room with real QBs. Dalton was never starter potential, Plummer was a joke. KP certainly isn't, neither is Grier.  Our approach to the QB room needs to be one of strength not fear. Bring in guys who can compete or who you think can compete. This is THE elite position, in an elite sport, paid premium salary, where production matters. Either you produce or you can lose your job. It's not mean, it's just the reality of the position.  And I'm really just tired of our candy ass approach to it. 
    • LinvilleGorge
      2027: Sharing my thoughts on the cap without a lotta research

      By LinvilleGorge · Posted

      If you plug Bryce onto the Pro Bowl roster you might have a chance to compete for a SB. If he's surrounded by top tier talent with a top tier defense on the other side, a field flipping punter, and a kicker good from 60+ you might have a chance. But that means you basically have to recreate Saban's Bama in the NFL and that's impossible... and Bryce couldn't win a championship in that environment either. What the Panthers didn't realize when they got so obsessed with his "PG mentality" was that what they were looking st was a "barely checks the box PG". The basketball equivalent of Bryce would be an undersized PG with marginal athleticism who can make the basic plays but adds nothing to the team in terms of elevating the overall team. Not a great shooter, not a great defender, not a great driver. Just a guy who can basically get you into the offense and be a matador on defense. Basically a placeholder while you look to upgrade the PG position. 
×
×
  • Create New...