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Luckiest Coach

Catdaddy

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So are you arguing quarterbacks or free agents? Or free agent quarterbacks? In 2007, we brought in a Super Bowl winning QB and a #1 overall pick at QB. They were both outperformed by an undrafted free agent.... the guy who's starting at QB for us now. And you're obviously not happy with that guy or else you wouldn't make an ignorant thread. So, there's 0 for 3 in free agent quarterbacks in 2007 alone.

Who is the free agent quarterback you think we should have signed?

My argument with you is, you said we spent to much money on free agents the years you listed. I want you to show me the rank of money we spent compared to other teams in free agency and I bet we were not in the top ten. But my big picture argument is, Richardson won't spend money on players, and he won't spend big money on a big name coach. If Fox had a top 10 QB his entire tenure, this would not be a argument. He would be our coach for the foreseeable future. The other guy made a good point with the two QB's he said won the Superbowl who were just real average, but those teams had the number 1 defenses those years, and had a big advantage in the plus/minus turnover ratio also.

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There was a time when we had pretty consistent QB play... Jake was not always a bad QB. He was never Tom Brady, but he played pretty well. I'm not disagreeing that we haven't had any consistency for a few years now, but John Fox had a hand in that as well, and I don't think that a "cheap owner" had anything to do with it.

edit: to googoodan, it seems he wants Jeff Garcia or Pennington. I'm not convinced either of them would have us much better than we are right now, but it's a possibility.

Jake lost it! At one time he had it! Not sure if the injury did it, but he lost it. If we had a Steve Buerlein right now in his prime and we would be a force.

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My argument with you is, you said we spent to much money on free agents the years you listed. I want you to show me the rank of money we spent compared to other teams in free agency and I bet we were not in the top ten. But my big picture argument is, Richardson won't spend money on players, and he won't spend big money on a big name coach. If Fox had a top 10 QB his entire tenure, this would not be a argument. He would be our coach for the foreseeable future. The other guy made a good point with the two QB's he said won the Superbowl who were just real average, but those teams had the number 1 defenses those years, and had a big advantage in the plus/minus turnover ratio also.

The Patriots pretty much get rid of all their big money players each season because they don't like paying players. Yet they are consistently good. You don't have to spend a ton of money on players to be good.

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The Patriots pretty much get rid of all their big money players each season because they don't like paying players. Yet they are consistently good. You don't have to spend a ton of money on players to be good.

You are right! But do they let Tom Brady go? No! They have struggled of late but still are better than most teams cause of the play of Brady. Belichick sucked at the Browns, and would to at New England without Brady.

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You are right! But do they let Tom Brady go? No! They have struggled of late but still are better than most teams cause of the play of Brady. Belichick sucked at the Browns, and would to at New England without Brady.

I think any coach would suck with the Browns.

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My argument with you is, you said we spent to much money on free agents the years you listed. I want you to show me the rank of money we spent compared to other teams in free agency and I bet we were not in the top ten. But my big picture argument is, Richardson won't spend money on players, and he won't spend big money on a big name coach. If Fox had a top 10 QB his entire tenure, this would not be a argument. He would be our coach for the foreseeable future. The other guy made a good point with the two QB's he said won the Superbowl who were just real average, but those teams had the number 1 defenses those years, and had a big advantage in the plus/minus turnover ratio also.

Show me any correlation between the amount of money a team spends on its players and relative success.

Don't worry... I'll wait.

This isn't the MLB.

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How is that at all related to what you were arguing to which I responded?

The thread is about Fox leaving cause he is no good and has to. But anyone who can coach Jake Delhomme to 3 different playoff appearances can't be too bad. I got every game ever played by our Panthers on film, and those last years from the Capers teams, and all the Seifert teams had no heart and were really bad and gave up. I know we are going to get a new coach, but I'm not to happy about it. We have started out bad a few times under Fox, but he doesn't let the team quit, they fight back and at least end up 7-9

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The thread is about Fox leaving cause he is no good and has to. But anyone who can coach Jake Delhomme to 3 different playoff appearances can't be too bad. I got every game ever played by our Panthers on film, and those last years from the Capers teams, and all the Seifert teams had no heart and were really bad and gave up. I know we are going to get a new coach, but I'm not to happy about it. We have started out bad a few times under Fox, but he doesn't let the team quit, they fight back and at least end up 7-9

And you said that JR is cheap and never spends money on players. So I said show me where there's a calculable correlation between team payroll and wins/losses. You've yet to show me those numbers. You're making baseless claims and purporting them as fact.

Unless you're willing to actually put some effort into your posts, I suggest you stop before you're eaten alive. I can count 3 useless threads made today alone.

And the fact of the matter is 7-9 doesn't get it done in this league.

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