Jimmy Chicken Poo Clausen

[Phil Dees]

QB rating as a measuring stick sucks.

How come?

It takes attempts, completions (therefore percentage), yardage, touchdowns, and interceptions into account.

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[TheRealDeal]

How come?

It takes attempts, completions (therefore percentage), yardage, touchdowns, and interceptions into account.

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Out of these two, tell me which QB had the better game

QB 1: 33/48 68.8% 275yds 1TD 0 INT

QB 2: 11/21 52.4% 146yds 1TD 0 INT

The formula is pretty ridiculous and it doesn't account for everything in a game and weighs some things more heavily than others.

Here is the formula

1. Divide a quarterback's completed passes by pass attempts.

2. Subtract 0.3.

3. Divide by 0.2 and record the total. The sum cannot be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.

4. Divide passing yards by pass attempts.

5. Subtract 3.

6. Divide by 4 and record the total. The sum cannot be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.

7. Divide touchdown passes by pass attempts.

8. Divide by 0.05 and record the total. The sum cannot be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.

9. Divide interceptions by pass attempts.

10. Subtract that number from 0.095.

11. Divide that product by 0.04 and record the total. The sum cannot be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.

12. Add the four totals you recorded.

13. Multiply that total by 100.

14. Divide by 6.

15. The final number is your quarterback rating.

[Phil Dees]

Whole lot easier just to use the widget:

http://www.brucey.net/nflab/statistics/qb_rating.html

What better criteria would you use?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating

[TheRealDeal]

Whole lot easier just to use the widget:

http://www.brucey.net/nflab/statistics/qb_rating.html

What better criteria would you use?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating

You didn't answer my question. In your opinion, not using passer rating, which QB had the better game?

I don't need some wacky formula to tell me how well/bad a QB played. Most people associated with the NFL also say passer rating is useless.

[Phil Dees]

I don't think the people associated with the NFL care what you think.

[Guild]

How come?

It takes attempts, completions (therefore percentage), yardage, touchdowns, and interceptions into account.

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It doesn't factor in many other things though. On it's own it isn't a great measuring stick but no one statistic is. That said it is a decent way to evaluate at a glance when an indepth analysis isn't needed.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't think the people associated with the NFL care what you think.

I never said they did (although some might) but I was telling you what they think. People around the NFL don't like the passer rating. It has nothing to do with what I think.

[House]

How come?

It takes attempts, completions (therefore percentage), yardage, touchdowns, and interceptions into account.

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The QB Passer Rating is/was meant to rate a QB's ENTIRE season when it was first developed.

It was never meant to be a game by game indicator of a QB's effeciency or ability.

People, mostly commentators who don't know poo about football and needed something so they could say "hey this guy is/isn't good, look I have numbers", started using it as such.

Not to say that you can't use it for game by game indicators but that the only way that it is TRUELY effective is over an entire season.

[Guild]

The QB Passer Rating is/was meant to rate a QB's ENTIRE season when it was first developed.

It was never meant to be a game by game indicator of a QB's effeciency or ability.

People, mostly commentators who don't know poo about football and needed something so they could say "hey this guy is/isn't good, look I have numbers", started using it as such.

Not to say that you can't use it for game by game indicators but that the only way that it is TRUELY effective is over an entire season.

Even then it is only good for "surface analysis" if you want to have an indepth discussion or examination many other factors need to be considered but yes I think you are right.

[House]

Even then it is only good for "surface analysis" if you want to have an indepth discussion or examination many other factors need to be considered but yes I think you are right.

You are right, it is still not a good overall indicator, but the only way that it is even worth using as any type of analysis is only if you take the numbers from a season.

[Carl Spackler]

When evaluating a QB I try to overlook the good and the bad in games where they don't start. So after doing that with Clausen he looks about 10% better. The fact that he doesn't look downfield anymore pisses me off because there are times when he does that he delivers a good throw and gets a first down (i.e. 22 yds to Gettis on 3rd and 15).

[TheRealDeal]

When evaluating a QB I try to overlook the good and the bad in games where they don't start. So after doing that with Clausen he looks about 10% better. The fact that he doesn't look downfield anymore pisses me off because there are times when he does that he delivers a good throw and gets a first down (i.e. 22 yds to Gettis on 3rd and 15).

Now that's not fair, you flamed Moore for those two picks in the Bears game.

[MadHatter]

You didn't answer my question. In your opinion, not using passer rating, which QB had the better game?

I don't need some wacky formula to tell me how well/bad a QB played. Most people associated with the NFL also say passer rating is useless.

the one that led his team to a win....

[TheRealDeal]

the one that led his team to a win....

Agreed. Or you could say it was the one who had more completions, a better completion percentage, more yards, and the same amount of TDs.

Passer rating says you'd be wrong though.

See how silly it is Phil?