Hurney Must Go

[Dpantherman]

Waste of time...Hurney isn't going anywhere...how many times does this have to be repeated?

[beastson]

Time for a change.. that's all

1-15 and being retained, dont see it happening and didnt his contract already expire????

[SorthNarolina]

spoken like a true fan of a team with bad leadership

Do you mean the owner or the coaches?

Whatever it is ow many teams in the league have bad leadership then? All the ones that have a 10+ loss season every once in a while?

Down years are inevitable. Injuries, free agent busts, draft busts. Nobody is immune. Depending on who is on the roster determines how down the year is. Most teams that can keep consitent playoff apperances going are blessed with a HoF QB. Packers, Colts, and Patriots. Those don't come around all that often.

Most franchises that have down years can get back up into the playoffs usually. There are some teams that just plain suck.

It's certainly possible but I don't think it's bad to acknowledge that some teams go through a funk every now and then.

Hell the last time we went 1-15 we went to the superbowl 2 years later. I don't get all the pessimissm and whining. Down years happen to most teams and while the sky fell long ago on the season I don't feel like it's fallen at all on the franchise.

[frash.exe]

Do you mean the owner or the coaches?

i'm not saying it starts with hurney

Hell the last time we went 1-15 we went to the superbowl 2 years later. I don't get all the pessimissm and whining. Down years happen to most teams and while the sky fell long ago on the season I don't feel like it's fallen at all on the franchise.

yet we're nearly coming full circle. from my perspective expecting bad results and accepting them is also pessimistic. It happens to most teams but I don't see lions fans jumping for joy and the culture over there is cynical. We need to change some of the philosophies and have a more proactive strategy to improve in this league. We need to take some risks, not every risk but some, and i'm not talking about pointless unnecessary risks like trading up for an App state QB that isn't even playing right now. I mean calculated risks with purpose in mind. A few years ago I was one of the only guys on here that thought drafting a QB first round was reasonable.

[Baschski]

Not a GM in the league who hasn't made mistakes. What's hilarious is how people trying to criticize Hurney will acknowledge that he's drafted well in the first round, but then try to undermine him saying things like "Anyone could have done that."

Also, the argument that Hurney should be fired because we're most likely going 1-15 is fatally flawed. Our record is attributable, by far more than anything else, to Jerry Richardson and his decision making over this past year. Hurney has done nothing but Jerry's bidding throughout all of this. There's no way JR fires his right-hand man for simply doing what he told him to do.

[fitty76]

It's real convenient to highlight a handful of "mistakes" and then conclude that Hurney sucks. Let's not forget how absurdly successful he's been at the LB position. He's also done a great job in the past of signing/drafting players in the Secondary and on the O-line. You try to say that Hurney is going to f*ck up with D-Will, but couldn't we just as easily say that he's had great success at the RB position since he's given us three great RB's behind D-Will, so we have the freedom to do whatever we want with him?

I can't believe you are making excuses for Hurney. If given the choice between Fox or Hurney I would choose Fox any day of the week. He's made way too many mistakes in the draft. He's got to go.

[fitty76]

Not a GM in the league who hasn't made mistakes. What's hilarious is how people trying to criticize Hurney will acknowledge that he's drafted well in the first round, but then try to undermine him saying things like "Anyone could have done that."

Also, the argument that Hurney should be fired because we're most likely going 1-15 is fatally flawed. Our record is attributable, by far more than anything else, to Jerry Richardson and his decision making over this past year. Hurney has done nothing but Jerry's bidding throughout all of this. There's no way JR fires his right-hand man for simply doing what he told him to do.

You make your money as a GM by getting players in the later rounds. And he doesn't have a lot a late round picks that have worked out, sorry.

[panthers55]

I can't believe you are making excuses for Hurney. If given the choice between Fox or Hurney I would choose Fox any day of the week. He's made way too many mistakes in the draft. He's got to go.

So you would rather have Fox as our GM versus Hurney although Fox knows nothing about the job or the cap. Must be what you're saying since Fox is gone as the head coach.

[panthers55]

You make your money as a GM by getting players in the later rounds. And he doesn't have a lot a late round picks that have worked out, sorry.

Yeah those 6th round picks on Gettis and Hardy were total crap. LOL And those seventh rounders on Bernadeau and Schwartz the year before were garbage as well. And he has never picked up any undrafted free agents that have made the team and contributed.

What BS.

[fitty76]

So you would rather have Fox as our GM versus Hurney although Fox knows nothing about the job or the cap. Must be what you're saying since Fox is gone as the head coach.

No that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying if I HAD the choice of Fox coaching the team or Hurney being the GM, I would choose Fox coaching the team.

[fitty76]

Yeah those 6th round picks on Gettis and Hardy were total crap. LOL And those seventh rounders on Bernadeau and Schwartz the year before were garbage as well. And he has never picked up any undrafted free agents that have made the team and contributed.

What BS.

Contributed to what? A 1-15 record?

No you're right. What was I thinking. He's every bit the GM Bill Polian was. Maybe better.

[panthers55]

No that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying if I HAD the choice of Fox coaching the team or Hurney being the GM, I would choose Fox coaching the team.

That isn't a choice so pick again...........

[SorthNarolina]

i'm not saying it starts with hurney

yet we're nearly coming full circle. from my perspective expecting bad results and accepting them is also pessimistic. It happens to most teams but I don't see lions fans jumping for joy and the culture over there is cynical. We need to change some of the philosophies and have a more proactive strategy to improve in this league. We need to take some risks, not every risk but some, and i'm not talking about pointless unnecessary risks like trading up for an App state QB that isn't even playing right now. I mean calculated risks with purpose in mind. A few years ago I was one of the only guys on here that thought drafting a QB first round was reasonable.

I'm not expecting bad results I go into every season expecting playoffs. I am certainly accepting bad results because that's all there is to do.

I still don't see the problem with realizing that putting together a consistent playoff team is pretty difficult and since the majority of NFL franchises can't do that I'm not going to start calling JR a horrible owner and become so critical of the franchise. He's stretched most fans patience past the breaking point but it's obvious there is a plan.

The only teams I see that haven't had a recent 10+ loss season are the Pats and Colts. HoF QBs aren't common. Quality QBs aren't impossible to find and they fact that we never tried is probably why we aren't in the upper echelon. Right before they found their HoF QB they had a 10+ loss season.

As far as I see a 10+ loss season is inevitable for most franchises because players get old/injuried, coaches make mistakes, GM's make mistakes, owners make mistakes. Eventually you will run into hard times.

It doesn't mean there is bad ownership. Should changes be made? Sure. But it's not as dire as some people want to believe.

[panthers55]

Contributed to what? A 1-15 record?

No you're right. What was I thinking. He's every bit the GM Bill Polian was. Maybe better.

Hurney is on his first gig and learning as he goes. He makes mistakes and learns from them. No one is saying he is great but he doesn't deserve to be fired either. He needs to keep improving and learning which is what you ask of any employee. He is team player, loyal and loves what he is doing. He is an asset to the team and organization.