Is the QB the only thing anyone cares about anymore?

[Dpantherman]

Why be afraid to take risks?? This team should be doing everyone in their power to find our franchise QB

[TheRealDeal]

Why be afraid to take risks?? This team should be doing everyone in their power to find our franchise QB

Who do you have to do around here to get a franchise QB huh?

[PantherFanForLife]

Why be afraid to take risks?? This team should be doing everyone in their power to find our franchise QB

It's not about being afraid to take risks. But as some point, even if that risky move pays off, you have to ask yourself if its even worth it anymore if it means neglecting everything else.

At some point isn't just better to go for the sure thing like the Eagles did and go for a proven QB, with life left in him that can immediately give you results? I'm sure it would cost no more than a #1 draft pick, but at least you know what you get when you pay for him.

[Raleighcat83]

So if you don't think QB wasn't even the biggest problem on the team last year, what was? Would a stud DT or a pro bowl RG or a really good #2 WR do more to imrove the Panthers' record than a good QB? Would replacing Jeff King with an all pro tight end bring us more wins than replacing Clausen with a star quarterback? I know, Luck isn't guaranteed to be a star quarterback, but then again, when you draft or sign defensive tackles or tight ends they aren't guaranteed to be good either. Those of us that talk about QB all the time think it's the most important position and that we're terrible at it. We had a talented team in 09 and it was derailed by a QB that threw everything to the other team. We had a little talent last year, and a QB that threw everything away, or into the ground, or just took a sack. Quarterback has to be fixed first.

[Raleighcat83]

It's not about being afraid to take risks. But as some point, even if that risky move pays off, you have to ask yourself if its even worth it anymore if it means neglecting everything else.

At some point isn't just better to go for the sure thing like the Eagles did and go for a proven QB, with life left in him that can immediately give you results? I'm sure it would cost no more than a #1 draft pick, but at least you know what you get when you pay for him.

Except it's not really a sure thing, that's why Vick was the backup going into the season. The Redskins thought McNabb was a sure thing. Dante Culpepper seemed like a sure thing in Miami a few years ago. So did Favre in New York. The idea that free agents are less risky than draft picks is incorrect, lots of free agents, at all positions, are busts.

[PanthersPhan18]

Am I the only person here that remembers us getting to a superbowl with a scrub QB that played in Europe and being 3 points away from winning it all? Seriously, doesn't anybody care about having an all around solid team anymore? I'd rather have a great supporting cast that can make the QB's job easier no matter who's back there.

I'd rather have a dominating O-line like we did in the past, a dominating run game and a defense that can stop opponents. Now I'm not saying I want us to be one dimensional all over again, but I don't want to TRADE one thing for another.

If we do that, then that's exactly what we're going to be. Except this time, it will be reversed. I don't want to go from being the one dimensional Panthers to the one dimensional Chiefs.

It seems like we are still having the same conversations we've been having for the past two years, and almost identical to those of last year, just a different cast. What about the rest of our positions?

Admit it, you just want to see Matt "Montana" Moore as Carolina's starter in 11.

[PantherFanForLife]

So if you don't think QB wasn't even the biggest problem on the team last year, what was? Would a stud DT or a pro bowl RG or a really good #2 WR do more to imrove the Panthers' record than a good QB? Would replacing Jeff King with an all pro tight end bring us more wins than replacing Clausen with a star quarterback? I know, Luck isn't guaranteed to be a star quarterback, but then again, when you draft or sign defensive tackles or tight ends they aren't guaranteed to be good either. Those of us that talk about QB all the time think it's the most important position and that we're terrible at it. We had a talented team in 09 and it was derailed by a QB that threw everything to the other team. We had a little talent last year, and a QB that threw everything away, or into the ground, or just took a sack. Quarterback has to be fixed first.

If you want me to place it in order, I personally thought it was like this:

1. Inconsistency at ALL LEVELS

2. Lack of leadership from veteran players especially on offense

3. Lack of protection by our O-line

4. Lack of a solid WR threat(We had one guy, and then that one guy had his worst year)

5. Inability to return the run game to form and make it a threat

6. HORRIBLE special teams play, especially throughout the first 6 games.

7. Coaching fiasco

8. QB(includes turnovers).

9. Playcalling

10. Inconsistent defense.(Gave up the big play when we needed them most)

That's how I would rank it.

Some may say play-calling was a bigger factor, and while I agree it sucked, its execution was far worse than its conception.

If we fix number 8, while not taking care of 1-7, I expect another similar record to 2-14. If we fix 1-7, even if we don't fix number 8, and go with the same guys, I still think we can have a shot at a winning season.

[PantherFanForLife]

Admit it, you just want to see Matt "Montana" Moore as Carolina's starter in 11.

Honestly, no. I don't care who starts. Like I said last year, Matt Moore was the best man for the job, and whoever that guy is this year, that's who needs to start for this team. That will be sorted out in training camp. Matt was clearly the best man for the job last year, and that's why I supported him, and I continue to believe that no coach is so freaking stupid that would start anyone BUT the best man for the job.

It doesn't matter who the QB is under center, I will support whoever we get back there when kick-off starts, but I honesty do not believe it will make a difference, whether its Luck, Moore, Clausen or even an off-season vet, if we don't fix the other things I talked about.

[bleys]

If you want me to place it in order, I personally thought it was like this:

1. Inconsistency at ALL LEVELS

2. Lack of leadership from veteran players especially on offense

3. Lack of protection by our O-line

4. Lack of a solid WR threat(We had one guy, and then that one guy had his worst year)

5. Inability to return the run game to form and make it a threat

6. HORRIBLE special teams play, especially throughout the first 6 games.

7. Coaching fiasco

8. QB(includes turnovers).

9. Playcalling

10. Inconsistent defense.(Gave up the big play when we needed them most)

That's how I would rank it.

Some may say play-calling was a bigger factor, and while I agree it sucked, its execution was far worse than its conception.

If we fix number 8, while not taking care of 1-7, I expect another similar record to 2-14. If we fix 1-7, even if we don't fix number 8, and go with the same guys, I still think we can have a shot at a winning season.

I feel like playcalling and coaching is at the top..

[bbell21]

I just saw this and my heart dropped will some one please make it a thread I don't have 100 post so I can't. A source recently told Jim Harbaugh that Andrew Luck is staying school.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/1/5...rs-hq-together

[MaineManPanther]

Alright, but my point still stands. If we had a team like the Patriots, where we were so well rounded, and had their chemistry, that we can just put in our back-up and finish 11-5.....isn't that so much better than having a top-tier QB?

I'd personally want to figure out how to build THAT. And yes I understand it all stand with the QB, but every year there's a hot new rookie QB, and the fact always remains, that no QB is ever truly elite until they prove themselves in the NFL.

They only become elite after they accomplish something in the NFL, and no matter how good you performed in college, it can always go either way. I say get Luck if we can, and if we can't, just move on and start looking at our other problems.

But with us using so many draft picks on QBs year after year, there is no way that's not going to affect the rest of the team as a whole in the long run. I say build the team, as a whole, and I think eventually the QB piece will fall into place as well.

2001-Chris Wenkie 4th round

2002- No QB drafted

2003-No Qb Drafted

2004-No Qb drafted

2005- Stefan Lefors 4th round

2006-No Qb drafted

2007-No Qb drafted

2009-No Qb drafted

2010- Jimmy Clausen 2nd round ; Pike 6th round

2011-Luck (if declared)

In one decade we have only drafted one high round QB. And three others between the fourth and sixth. We also have never had two, consecutive years this deacade where we drafted a Qb up until (possisbly) now.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

I just saw this and my heart dropped will some one please make it a thread I don't have 100 post so I can't. A source recently told Jim Harbaugh that Andrew Luck is staying school.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/1/5...rs-hq-together

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[PantherFanForLife]

I feel like playcalling and coaching is at the top..

History disagrees with you. Our coaching and play-calling have been pretty consistent over the years, but our results have never been this bad because of those.

Fox has always been conservative, and we have never had great offensive play calling, but we have had much better results in the past. The only reason they are on the list is frankly because they have been the same this past year. With all the changes on the team, something should have changed in the coaching and play calling, and that was the biggest problem. They remained largely the same even though this was a completely different team with the exception of one or two games where Fox got a little desperate and tried a few things too little too late.

But it's no secret that any team going through a coach's last year, rarely ever has a good season so yeah that could have been ranked higher. I don't care how they talk up the fact of how it doesn't affect things, it ALWAYS DOES!

[bbell21]

Hope it was BS swear it was their guys!