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[SorthNarolina]

Why draft Cam if he's not gonna start?

do whats best to win. If we draft Cam I'll see the glass half full and be hyped about his upside but he needs some time to learn. If he can get it done by TC then wonderful.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

I didn't say those guys were franchise QBs and answers....I am saying they all showed more than Clausen did. Guys who SHOWED MORE, as you stated, their teams have no confidence in them and are moving on. You are basically proving my point.

Point is Clausen was worse than any rookie thrown into the fire in a LONG time......worse than late rounder and undrafted kids. I named several in 2010 alone.....

How about this, name rookies who Clausen looked better than and showed more basics of the position in the last 5 years......I named several from the past season alone who looked better than him (and no teams are counting on those chumps)....no point digging up every Matt Moore when 2010 sums it up just fine.

you're leaving out the main point...

...no rookie in recent memory has played under the same conditions as clausen.

1. no veteran mentor

2. lame duck coaching staff

3. suspect oline

4. inconsistent/no run game

5. rookie WRs

6. pathetic predictable playcalling

7. turf toe injury

people will argue that the run game and oline got better...but the mental damage was done.

am i a clausen supporter? no.

but i'm also not ignorant enough to put the blame on a rookie QB who had no chance in hell of getting the job done...even if his "basics" were up to par.

[CRA]

you're leaving out the main point...

...no rookie in recent memory has played under the same conditions as clausen.

1. no veteran mentor

2. lame duck coaching staff

3. suspect oline

4. inconsistent/no run game

5. rookie WRs

6. pathetic predictable playcalling

7. turf toe injury

people will argue that the run game and oline got better...but the mental damage was done.

am i a clausen supporter? no.

but i'm also not ignorant enough to put the blame on a rookie QB who had no chance in hell of getting the job done...even if his "basics" were up to par.

with the exclusion of lame duck coach and turf toe....ther are tons of examples of QBs who have been put in comparable or worse scenarios. Fox really was no different in 2011 than in 2008....he is what he is and that is why the actual players loved him till the end.

like I said, just name one QB. There is a mountain of rookie QBs who have started from you to choose from.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

with the exclusion of lame duck coach and turf toe....ther are tons of examples of QBs who have been put in comparable or worse scenarios. Fox really was no different in 2011 than in 2008....he is what he is and that is why the actual players loved him till the end.

like I said, just name one QB. There is a mountain of rookie QBs who have started from you to choose from.

if i gave a name, it would be like me pulling a name out of a hat since i haven't watched a mountain of rookie QBs play recently.

[CRA]

if i gave a name, it would be like me pulling a name out of a hat since i haven't watched a mountain of rookie QBs play recently.

well, if you put the names in a hat of rookies that were thrust into the starting line up....the hat would simply be full of names of QBs who looked to be more competent than Clausen. That isn't me pimping those QBs as good.....

Clausen was in a bad spot no doubt....I admit that. You aren't epically awful b/c of a bad scenario. You don't win games and take a beating.....but you still will show potential in what is the majority of a season if you got it. The sooner Carolina moves on from the QBs drafted in 2010 the better. They don't fit....and fitting in the NFL is most of the battle.