Shockey's camp comments on the U scandal

[HoFBound90]

Well, dang, you would think more of the conferences would be in places like Omaha or Buffalo or Birmingham, England or Stuttgart, Germany, than in all these glamorous resort cities. :lol:

Most of the professors at my small NE liberal arts college, did. We were consistnatly ranked in the top 25 NE schools for a reason. Sure they take time to socialize but I'd be willing to betthey do a lot more work on these things then you would think, especially if they are putting out a new book or 2 a year, while teaching.

And yes there are big conferences in nice areas, but that is far less frequent occurence.

[Nicbsbll2]

Well, dang, you would think more of the conferences would be in places like Omaha or Buffalo or Birmingham, England or Stuttgart, Germany, than in all these glamorous resort cities. :lol:

BTW, the resort cities known as Raleigh and Durham are both extremely popular among academic conferences.

[King Taharqa]

Because we all hate black people.

Ignorant comment. Grow u and stop being an emotional weakling.

[OneBadassCat]

It is pretty tasteless but these guys were in college, being football players for one of the biggest schools in the nation.

[LinvilleGorge]

Anyone that actually believes this clearly didn't go to college and doesn't understand the true value of the education they are receiving.

Btw, those coaches and ADs that are "making millions" off of these athletes aren't in the position they are just because they used to run a 4.3 40 or shoot 50% from beyond the arch, it has a large deal to do with the education they received when they were in school. And the same goes for the directors at the NCAA (who are really the only ones making a lot of money off of these kids).

If you believe what you typed, you don't understand how major college sports work. First of all, the time commitment is incredible, the sport comes first and academics second. Most of these kids wouldn't have gotten into the school if it wasn't for their athletic ability and aren't prepared from an academics standpoint. They have advisors to set them up with a curriculum to keep them academically eligible (you'll notice most schools pretty much have an "athlete major" such as sociology or African American studies that a disproportionate percentage of athletes proclaim as their major) and teams of tutors to make sure they can make the grade. The concern isn't education, it's eligibility.

NCAA amateurism is a sham. Not every "student athlete" fits into this model, but a helluva lot of them do.

[TheRealDeal]

First of all, the time commitment is incredible, the sport comes first and academics second. Most of these kids wouldn't have gotten into the school if it wasn't for their athletic ability and aren't prepared from an academics standpoint. They have advisors to set them up with a curriculum to keep them academically eligible (you'll notice most schools pretty much have an "athlete major" such as sociology or African American studies that a disproportionate percentage of athletes proclaim as their major) and teams of tutors to make sure they can make the grade. The concern isn't education, it's eligibility.

NCAA amateurism is a sham. Not every "student athlete" fits into this model, but a helluva lot of them do.

They should get nothing and like it.

They get a free education that is potentially going to set them up for a great career in the future.

You said it yourself, if it wasn't for sport, they wouldn't have gotten into college. What do you think they would be doing? What can you do with a HS diploma these days? How much money can you make?

The schools give them a chance to showcase their skills AND educate themselves FOR FREE, while acquiring skills in the classroom that will make their potential career earnings limitless outside of the football stadium.

You think the NCAA is holding them back from the NFL? Most never have a shot at making it anyway.

I guarantee you more money has been made by scholarship athletes in professions other than football than there has been made in football, and it's not even close.

Some college athletes are just too dumb to take full advantage of the situation they are given and feel for some reason they have "earned" the right to be paid.

Only way to stop it though is to ban them from the NFL if they get caught in college. Take away their dream. Make them work for something in their life.

[LinvilleGorge]

Do you have any clue how ridiculous your argument is?

I'm not necessarily talking about the universities paying the athletes. Title 9 basically makes that impossible. They can't afford to pay all the athletes (track and field, soccer, etc) and that's what Title 9 would require.

I'm talking about giving equal opportunities. For example, if you have a student on full academic scholarship majoring in computer programming and he can get a job with Microsoft through college utilizing his skills, that's fine. In fact, they'd probably do a write up in the school paper for the kid. However, a student on a football scholarship couldn't take a job with EA promoting NCAA Football 2012. Why not? What's the difference? According to you, that computer engineering student should turn down that job and continue to eat ramen. Both guys would just be utilizing their skills to make money in a legit job outside of school.

Another example... a kid on a full academic scholarship is being recruited by a few different companies. Let's say hea an engineer and Ford and GM both want him. They're taking him out to dinner, flying him out to tour facilities, offering him bonuses, etc. Hell yeah, more power to him. Substitute engineering student for football player and Ford/GM for NFL agents and your have a huge scandal. Why? Where's the difference?

Yet another example... a student on a full academic scholarship is in a fraternity. A graduate is really impressed with this young man and how hard he's working. The young man comes from a poor background and doesn't have much money. The graduate wants to help him out and has the means, so he gives the kid $1000 to help him out. Nice story, huh? Substitute frat guy for football player and graduate for booster and you have a huge scandal. Again, why? What's the difference?

All I'm saying is that student athletes should have the same opportunities to earn money in all the same manners as any other student. I just use students on academic scholarship to level the playing field as both they and student athletes are having their educations funded by the school due to a unique ability and level of performance.

[malik]

They should get nothing and like it.

They get a free education that is potentially going to set them up for a great career in the future.

You said it yourself, if it wasn't for sport, they wouldn't have gotten into college. What do you think they would be doing? What can you do with a HS diploma these days? How much money can you make?

The schools give them a chance to showcase their skills AND educate themselves FOR FREE, while acquiring skills in the classroom that will make their potential career earnings limitless outside of the football stadium.

You think the NCAA is holding them back from the NFL? Most never have a shot at making it anyway.

I guarantee you more money has been made by scholarship athletes in professions other than football than there has been made in football, and it's not even close.

Some college athletes are just too dumb to take full advantage of the situation they are given and feel for some reason they have "earned" the right to be paid.

Only way to stop it though is to ban them from the NFL if they get caught in college. Take away their dream. Make them work for something in their life.

its not 1980's anymore. And the coaches screw the players making them pick stupid majors like communications.

[TheRealDeal]

You don't really want to have this discussion, I promise.

You don't want to hear the truths about athletes compared to engineers, the risks the universities take, the free tutors, clothing, meals, travel, fame, etc.

You want to ignore the fact that these same student athletes have the ability to be engineers and get a job at Ford as well, they just can't break the law which they signed up to obey, poor guys.

You don't want to talk about how they get to major in ballroom dancing while the engineer is taking classes that would make your head fall off and they still get everything the engineering major does and more.

You want to feel bad for these athletes even though something like 95% of them will never play football past college yet they somehow get a free education and an open door out of the ghetto and into a better life, pending they choose to accept it.

You DO NOT want to hear the truth. You KNOW the truth but pretend it's just society that makes it that way or the man or whatever excuse you have.

You don't want an honest discussion. You want to make these kids out to be victims, please continue.

[TheRealDeal]

its not 1980's anymore. And the coaches screw the players making them pick stupid majors like communications.

A communications degree is a lot more valuable than being a 10th grade drop out right?

[malik]

A communications degree is a lot more valuable than being a 10th grade drop out right?

theyre both just as worthless. But the 10th grader is smart enough to not keep going on a failed quest.

[TheRealDeal]

Ok.

[LinvilleGorge]

Nothing you're saying is addressing the points I've made. One set pf students has the ability o utilize their skills to their financial benefit while in school and another set does not. Period, end of story.

I'm not out on some woe is woe is me story for the athletes. Sure, many have no desire to actually get an education, they're there to play football and the school part is just a bother. No one disputes that. My argument is all about the financial opportunities available to them while in school compared to other students, no more, no less.

He'll, I thought the whole school part of college was a PITA too and I was there on academic scholarship. I wasn't there for enlightenment, I was there for a sheepskin that would get my foot in the door of the career of my choice. I enjoyed most of the classes within my major, but all the general ed stuff I had to slog through to get the degree... that poo sucked. Am I less of a person because I wasn't there for the enlightenment and the true value of the educational experience? Just like those athletes, attending college was a business decision for me. Most high profile recruits do it for exposure to try to get into the NFL and people like me needed it for a piece of paper that they completed what has simply become a rite of passage in today's society.

[TheRealDeal]

You can't even compare the two. Players are allowed to work certain times of the year and often get cushy jobs. They only get in trouble when the break the law.

Their stipends are more than plenty to cover rent, food, booze, hookers, cocaine, weed, whatever their heart desires but they feel they are entitled to more and that's where the problems come in.

Calling it a business decision for them to go to college is ludicrous. Who makes a business decision when the success of that decision is less than 5%. It just shows how stupid most of these people are. They don't deserve anything.