Godfrey vs TEs

[Proudiddy]

I give Godfrey props, he has improved immensely since his rookie year and has become a SAFETY. He seems to have gotten more physical each year and I have been proud of a lot of the plays he has made this year in pursuit and tackling, but man... this guy is getting torched by TEs in coverage.

It seems he has become a target of opposing offenses as this has been two weeks in a row that they have put their bigger, slower TEs on him and had him for dinner. I hope they come up with a solution to this during the bye, either getting him help or working on technique because it is killing us on 3rd downs and it shouldn't be.

[Udogg]

He was the only one who had even a sliver of success guarding Graham. There are a reason the Tony Gonzales, Gates, Emerging tight end Graham are having success in the league. They are hard to guard. They are too big for smaller players, and too fast for bigger players.

[Snake]

Most of those TE catches seem to be on the LB not the SS. I could be wrong though it was hard to tell from where I sat.

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, but Gonzalez isn't exactly a burner anymore, neither is Shiancoe. You'd figure Anderson would do a better job sticking with them because of his size/speed. Godfrey's advantage is speed and Gonzalez and Shiancoe never flinched, they made a move, created spearation and Godfrey never caught back up until they had already caught it.

[Fiz]

The Panthers were in cover 4 a lot of the day it looked like and Godfrey probably had responsibility for Adrian Peterson as well when he was still in the backfield.

That's why when Peterson would run Godfrey would be there almost immediately, but when he'd leak out past the pocket, there'd be a linebacker slow in taking him. In that play, Godfrey is guarding two people. Once it's not a run, it becomes the linebackers responsibility to guard his zone, which the Vikings were exploiting mercilessly because dan Connor is the slowest motherfuger I've ever seen.

Anyway, I don't specifically remember Godfrey getting beat by tight ends, but if he was, I'd be willing to be it was on play action when he was shadowing peterson.

I do specifically remember RJ Stanford getting beat by every single person he guarded.

[Fiz]

Yeah, but Gonzalez isn't exactly a burner anymore, neither is Shiancoe. You'd figure Anderson would do a better job sticking with them because of his size/speed. Godfrey's advantage is speed and Gonzalez and Shiancoe never flinched, they made a move, created spearation and Godfrey never caught back up until they had already caught it.

I know you don't know a lot about football so this is really hard for you but Shiancoe is actually a really freaking good tight end. You're making it sound like Jangler went out there lined up on the line and scored.

[Proudiddy]

I know you don't know a lot about football so this is really hard for you but Shiancoe is actually a really freaking good tight end. You're making it sound like Jangler went out there lined up on the line and scored.

That was uncalled for Fiz.

Shiancoe is good, but he shouldn't be able to out-agile/out-quick Godfrey. That's the only real advantage Godfrey has over him, if he's matched up with him, it should work to our advantage and he shouldn't get separation that easy.

[Udogg]

Good route running beats speed. Ask Jerry Rice.

[Fiz]

I'm pretty sure if you posted the actual play it didn't break down in any way, shape or form like you think it did.

[Delhommey]

Our TE's exploit the middle of the field: WOW OLSEN IS SO GOOD!

Their TE's exploit the middle of the field: I'm really worried about our safeties.

BTW this reminds me how everyone would blame Godfrey for getting beat by WR's last year. Somehow this problem magically went away when Marshall headed to AZ.

Now, when we're on like our 19th LB, suddenly Godfrey sucks at covering TE's.

Hmmmmm....

[Fiz]

I just do not fuging understand b listers obsession with tossing Godfrey under the bus.

They're like little flies and poo posting about Godfrey is a bright light just...over..the horizon

[Snake]

That was uncalled for Fiz.

Shiancoe is good, but he shouldn't be able to out-agile/out-quick Godfrey. That's the only real advantage Godfrey has over him, if he's matched up with him, it should work to our advantage and he shouldn't get separation that easy.

Im going to have to agree with Fiz in that I dont think Shiancoe was Godfreys man. I think it was a zone cover and Connor sucks in pass coverage. Every catch was in the middle of the defense with the LB trailing.

Godfrey also had a bead on AP all day.

[Proudiddy]

I'm pretty sure if you posted the actual play it didn't break down in any way, shape or form like you think it did.

I don't have it recorded, but I wouldn't find it an issue if it didn't happen.

We may have been in cover 4 quite a bit like you were saying, but I know historically, our scheme lends itself to a lot of man matchups because of the pressure we send... Which it appeared we were still doing quite a bit yesterday to help against the run.

So, taking that into consideration, I assumed Godfrey was purposely matched up against Shiancoe. It happened more than once and they showed replays of several of them b/c they were 3rd down conversions.

One had Godfrey on him at the LOS (or at least he ran up and met him there at the snap), Shiancoe took a quick instep and just ran back across the LOS towards the sideline... Godfrey played the outside and once Shiancoe cut in, he never got back in front of him and they got an easy conversion.

Obviously Gonzalez didn't become one of the greatest TEs ever by being a bum, but again, if we're purposely matching Godfrey up in man on the TEs, I could understand him getting outmuscled or boxed out for passes, but not beaten off the snap and allowing them to run 8 yards or so without catching back up.

[Proudiddy]

Our TE's exploit the middle of the field: WOW OLSEN IS SO GOOD!

Their TE's exploit the middle of the field: I'm really worried about our safeties.

BTW this reminds me how everyone would blame Godfrey for getting beat by WR's last year. Somehow this problem magically went away when Marshall headed to AZ.

Now, when we're on like our 19th LB, suddenly Godfrey sucks at covering TE's.

Hmmmmm....

I just do not fuging understand b listers obsession with tossing Godfrey under the bus.

They're like little flies and poo posting about Godfrey is a bright light just...over..the horizon

I wish you guys would chill out. Where did I attack Godfrey in my post? I said he has improved and I've loved his play in run support especially this year. He has gotten a lot better in making plays on the ball and showing range as well since his rookie season - a lot better. And I know and agree, that Marshall was the problem with the WRs last year.

I'm not throwing Godfrey under the bus. Delhommey, you've been a Godfrey fan since day one, but seriously, I was addressing an issue I noticed from the last two games... Where did I say Godfrey sucks? Godfrey stinks? We suck at safety?

I didn't. But, have fun with groupthink.

And that's some bullsh*t Fiz. If you want to show me I'm wrong with actual plays, great, then my issue is non-existent. Instead, you decide it wasn't what you saw so let's turn the thread into flame fest.

He doesn't think like us, rawr!!1!

Im going to have to agree with Fiz in that I dont think Shiancoe was Godfreys man. I think it was a zone cover and Connor sucks in pass coverage. Every catch was in the middle of the defense with the LB trailing.

Godfrey also had a bead on AP all day.

Again, I've loved Godfrey's play for the most part and I could be mistaken, but this is the only issue I've noticed over the last two weeks. I've seen repeated replays where he seemed to have the TE from the snap, which suggests we are in man, which also isn't beyond belief considering our scheme because we like to send pressure...

But, let these self-proclaimed football experts tell it.

It's possible that we were in zone and our less than stellar backup LB corps (outside of Anderson) passed the TE off on Godfrey too early, but again, I've seen several replays where Godfrey is running with the TE from the snap.