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Bronco fans mad at Smittys comments...

MGH1989

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We were talking about extrapolating 198 to 450 or so, not 198 to 7,210. We also talked about how much decline there would need to be in Tebows game to be at or below Cam's level. We never talked about The Golden Calf of Bristol's future success, only used it as a reference for how efficient he was playing this season.

198 to 450 is really still hard to guesstimate because if he threw enough to get to 450 in a season ( which he does not ) That's when things happen in games like the arm getting tired , more errant throws , more chances to make a bad decision. We really can't compare if The Golden Calf of Bristol is running a spread option that doesn't call for near enough pass looks for a defense to make a play on the ball , make adjustments etc.

This ought to be a dead discussion by now honestly until Cam and Tim play similar offenses we can never compare them ever and that's all there is to it.

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198 to 450 is really still hard to guesstimate because if he threw enough to get to 450 in a season ( which he does not ) That's when things happen in games like the arm getting tired , more errant throws , more chances to make a bad decision. We really can't compare if The Golden Calf of Bristol is running a spread option that doesn't call for near enough pass looks for a defense to make a play on the ball , make adjustments etc.

All I know is The Golden Calf of Bristol would have to be worse than Jimmy Clausen bad from his 199th attempt to his 450th attempt to be at or below Cam's level.

4 TDs in 250 attempts? Go from a TD every 18 throws to a TD every 63 throws? Go from an Int every 99 throws to an Int every 18 throws? I just find that hard to believe in such a short time span. It's more likely to happen that his numbers even out from 198 to 7,000 though. Either way, it just shows that he's playing better football than Cam fans give him credit for and he's helping his team more than hurting them.

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All I know is The Golden Calf of Bristol would have to be worse than Jimmy Clausen bad from his 199th attempt to his 450th attempt to be at or below Cam's level.

4 TDs in 250 attempts? Go from a TD every 18 throws to a TD every 63 throws? Go from an Int every 99 throws to an Int every 18 throws? I just find that hard to believe in such a short time span. It's more likely to happen that his numbers even out from 198 to 7,000 though. Either way, it just shows that he's playing better football than Cam fans give him credit for and he's helping his team more than hurting them.

But again he does not throw enough in that offense for a defense to take advantage because they are looking for the run 75-80 % of the time .. it's just not a fair comparison. So regardless of how it plays out on paper cool im happy he makes a good decision 60 % of 18 attempts .. what if he has to make 30 .. will it still be the same with blitzers coming at him .. disguised coverages that expect a pass? We can't know .. I honestly don't even think we could be close to the correct guess.

Also to note im not a cam hugger and am not trying to shuckle his balls down my throat by any means and I don't deny The Golden Calf of Bristol anything he's done I only state that we shouldn't even discuss .. we'd be better off comparing newton to gabbert or Dalton as usual .. we are wasting our time with this.

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You can keep basing your opinions in a hypothetical world, I'm going to base mine in fact.

Based on the facts, do you think he would go from an Int every 99 passes to an Int every 18 in the next 250 attempts? Do you think his TD production will drop off from 1 TD every 18 to 1 TD every 63 attempts in the next 250 passes?

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You can keep basing your opinions in a hypothetical world, I'm going to base mine in fact.

Based on the facts, do you think he would go from an Int every 99 passes to an Int every 18 in the next 250 attempts? Do you think his TD production will drop off from 1 TD every 18 to 1 TD every 63 attempts in the next 250 passes?

No .. However if he started the season chucking the ball like cam and continued to the end like cam it's a toss up which is why I keep telling you .. YOU CANNOT COMPARE THEM .. I really don't understand why this happens everyday. It's so simple .. I'll draw it out one more time .. Put them in the same offense or at least something similar .. if you cant .. then you cant compare end of story.

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We were talking about extrapolating 198 to 450 or so, not 198 to 7,210. We also talked about how much decline there would need to be in Tebows game to be at or below Cam's level. We never talked about The Golden Calf of Bristol's future success, only used it as a reference for how efficient he was playing this season.

So 198 and 452 are a relatively similar sample size.... okay.

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I think the comparison is very tough because they are asked to do such different things, but you can't knock one guy for what he's asked to do and does it well vs what another guys is asked to do and is doing it okay. The best you can do is try to come up with some ways to compare but even then it's not the best.

I'd prefer if people were just happy about The Golden Calf of Bristol and let him do his thing, but that's not how the Huddle is. A compliment to another young QB is a slap in the face to Cam and it's a shame they feel that way.

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You can keep basing your opinions in a hypothetical world, I'm going to base mine in fact.

Based on the facts, do you think he would go from an Int every 99 passes to an Int every 18 in the next 250 attempts? Do you think his TD production will drop off from 1 TD every 18 to 1 TD every 63 attempts in the next 250 passes?

Based on the way he throws the ball? Yes... I think it's quite possible.

So you're saying that The Golden Calf of Bristol projects to be a better QB then Peyton Manning?

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I think the comparison is very tough because they are asked to do such different things, but you can't knock one guy for what he's asked to do and does it well vs what another guys is asked to do and is doing it okay. The best you can do is try to come up with some ways to compare but even then it's not the best.

I'd prefer if people were just happy about The Golden Calf of Bristol and let him do his thing, but that's not how the Huddle is. A compliment to another young QB is a slap in the face to Cam and it's a shame they feel that way.

Which is why you're just happy about Cam and a compliment to Cam is not a slap in the face to The Golden Calf of Bristol, right?

This whole thread was about Smitty complimenting Cam and saying he'd take him over The Golden Calf of Bristol and you jumped right in with your stats trying to suggest The Golden Calf of Bristol is better.... so I find irony in this newly found "live and let live" attitude of yours.

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