James Dator (CSR) representing Panthers in NFP twitter mock

[Kurb]

I like the positions picked, just not the people.

The trade with the JETS is fine really, until you trade away the2013 pick for a fat wr.

Good ideas just dont like the players.

[DaCityKats]

i dont like it, and Brandon Thompson is far from sucking.

[rayzor]

if wilson was the only thing we got out of the deal then i would see a problem. we got a CB that was good enough for a first round pick last year that has a year under his belt and did actually do well. hasn't proven anything to merit giving up a top 10 pick? :lol: that pretty much rules out any draft pick ever.

a WR/TE(i was joking about that) who will never see the field? another :lol:

sorry, but i'm not going to respond to anything else.

you aren't being rational.

1. Kyle wilson hasn't proven anything to merit given up a top 10 pick for him.

2. You waste high pick on a WR/TE who will never see the field.

3. Brandon Thomas Sucks IMO. Clemson stop nobody this year.

4. FS won't beat out Martin and we lose Pugh.

5. The DE from VA is Ok I guess. I wouldn't pick him that high.

6. Dude from NC State is MEH!!

7. We really don't need another 5th, 6th, or 7th round oline pick. We have like 5 dudes coming back this year.

[JawnyBlaze]

1. Kyle wilson hasn't proven anything to merit given up a top 10 pick for him.

2. You waste high pick on a WR/TE who will never see the field.

3. Brandon Thomas Sucks IMO. Clemson stop nobody this year.

4. FS won't beat out Martin and we lose Pugh.

5. The DE from VA is Ok I guess. I wouldn't pick him that high.

6. Dude from NC State is MEH!!

7. We really don't need another 5th, 6th, or 7th round oline pick. We have like 5 dudes coming back this year.

I don't love this draft, but my problem is that instead of vastly upgrading 2 or 3 spots (like if we took Brockers and a CB in the second) it's a bunch of minor upgrades and depth. But it does address about every need we have (except K/P).

1. Wilson would most likely start for us and be a big upgrade over Capt, dunno how much better than Hogan he is (since we don't know how good Hogan is). Wouldn't be worth a top 10 pick, but him plus #33, 47, 78 for the top 10 pick (and #105 and a S that could be replaced by a UDFA)? Maybe.

2. lol at Jeffery never seeing the field. He may never be a superstar, but he definitely has the potential to be a quality #2 (like Moose was for us). Easily worth a shot in the 2nd.

3. I don't see how Thompson sucks, he may not be as potentially elite as Brockers or Still but he's a very good run stopper. He's EASILY better than who he'd be competing with at NT, Fua. Edwards could mentor him and Thompson could be a very good starting NT for us after a year or two when Edwards is done. There is more to Clemson's defense than Brandon Thompson, so Clemson not being able to stop anyone doesn't make him a bad player. The Pats couldn't stop anyone either, does Vince Wilfork suck?

4. Iloka would very likely beat out Martin...a lot of people are high on him, not just on this board...

5. Cam Johnson has about as much potential as Mercilus, I think he's got a shot at being a very good Tuck-like DE. Both of them do (him and Mercilus), but they're a little undersized. Calculated risk, worth a shot with our third 2nd round pick.

6. I don't know anything about the LB from NCSU.

[koolkatluke]

if wilson was the only thing we got out of the deal then i would see a problem. we got a CB that was good enough for a first round pick last year that has a year under his belt and did actually do well. hasn't proven anything to merit giving up a top 10 pick? :lol: that pretty much rules out any draft pick ever.

a WR/TE(i was joking about that) who will never see the field? another :lol:

sorry, but i'm not going to respond to anything else.

you aren't being rational.

When did wilson beat Out Cromarti (who was bad this year)?

Do we need a WR and is Jeffrey's better then Lafell or Gettis?

When you anwser this ? you will see who is being Rational and who isn't.

[rayzor]

I like the positions picked, just not the people.

The trade with the JETS is fine really, until you trade away the2013 pick for a fat wr.

Good ideas just dont like the players.

he was the best WR on the board at that point.

blackmon, floyd, wright, and sanu had all gone. maybe randle would have been a better choice there.

i don't know. i just don't hate jeffery like others do. i don't like him in the first round, but in the second i think he's fine.

[rayzor]

I don't love this draft, but my problem is that instead of vastly upgrading 2 or 3 spots (like if we took Brockers and a CB in the second) it's a bunch of minor upgrades and depth. But it does address about every need we have (except K/P).

1. Wilson would most likely start for us and be a big upgrade over Capt, dunno how much better than Hogan he is (since we don't know how good Hogan is). Wouldn't be worth a top 10 pick, but him plus #33, 47, 78 for the top 10 pick (and #105 and a S that could be replaced by a UDFA)? Maybe.

2. lol at Jeffery never seeing the field. He may never be a superstar, but he definitely has the potential to be a quality #2 (like Moose was for us). Easily worth a shot in the 2nd.

3. I don't see how Thompson sucks, he may not be as potentially elite as Brockers or Still but he's a very good run stopper. He's EASILY better than who he'd be competing with at NT, Fua. Edwards could mentor him and Thompson could be a very good starting NT for us after a year or two when Edwards is done. There is more to Clemson's defense than Brandon Thompson, so Clemson not being able to stop anyone doesn't make him a bad player. The Pats couldn't stop anyone either, does Vince Wilfork suck?

4. Iloka would very likely beat out Martin...a lot of people are high on him, not just on this board...

5. Cam Johnson has about as much potential as Mercilus, I think he's got a shot at being a very good Tuck-like DE. Both of them do (him and Mercilus), but they're a little undersized. Calculated risk, worth a shot with our third 2nd round pick.

6. I don't know anything about the LB from NCSU.

yeah, i don't consider this a spectacular draft by any means, but it's solid because it does address multiple needs.

too much trading for me to feel completely comfortable, but still i wouldn't hate it. the team would definitely be stronger.

[koolkatluke]

I don't love this draft, but my problem is that instead of vastly upgrading 2 or 3 spots (like if we took Brockers and a CB in the second) it's a bunch of minor upgrades and depth. But it does address about every need we have (except K/P).

1. Wilson would most likely start for us and be a big upgrade over Capt, dunno how much better than Hogan he is (since we don't know how good Hogan is). Wouldn't be worth a top 10 pick, but him plus #33, 47, 78 for the top 10 pick (and #105 and a S that could be replaced by a UDFA)? Maybe.

2. lol at Jeffery never seeing the field. He may never be a superstar, but he definitely has the potential to be a quality #2 (like Moose was for us). Easily worth a shot in the 2nd.

3. I don't see how Thompson sucks, he may not be as potentially elite as Brockers or Still but he's a very good run stopper. He's EASILY better than who he'd be competing with at NT, Fua. Edwards could mentor him and Thompson could be a very good starting NT for us after a year or two when Edwards is done. There is more to Clemson's defense than Brandon Thompson, so Clemson not being able to stop anyone doesn't make him a bad player. The Pats couldn't stop anyone either, does Vince Wilfork suck?

4. Iloka would very likely beat out Martin...a lot of people are high on him, not just on this board...

5. Cam Johnson has about as much potential as Mercilus, I think he's got a shot at being a very good Tuck-like DE. Both of them do (him and Mercilus), but they're a little undersized. Calculated risk, worth a shot with our third 2nd round pick.

6. I don't know anything about the LB from NCSU.

1. Wilson would be a upgrade over Capt but would it be a better Upgrade then getting Brocker and a CB in the 2nd round?

2. So if you think he will never be a superstar then what are we debating about?

Not seeing the field means I don't think he can beat out Lafell or a healthy Gettis. So when will he be our #2 this year unless injuries happen again? And Is drafting him More important then getting a better defensive player?

3. Brandon Thomas will be a bust that is all.

4. If we draft Iloka I will avatar bet you he won't beat out martin.

[rayzor]

When did wilson beat Out Cromarti (who was bad this year)?

Do we need a WR and is Jeffrey's better then Lafell or Gettis?

When you anwser this ? you will see who is being Rational and who isn't.

who said he beat out cromarti? wilson was the corner covering the slot and he did well there. kept getting better all year. smart hard working. seriously i don't know what the problem is there. he's a massive upgrade from anyone we have aside from gamble and as good as anyone we'd find in the draft aside from claiborne. i like him as well as jenkins and better than kirkpatrick, mainly because he is a man coverage guy and would fit the Panthers D. him having the benefit of working with a very good defensive coaching staff at the jets and having spent a lot of time in a very long offseason working out and being mentored by darelle revis in arizona just makes him better.

as far as jeffery is concerned...it's another big reliable target for cam. needed? maybe not, but it most certainly wouldn't hurt. how can giving newton more big targets be a problem? esp. going into the future?

sorry, but that is completely rational.

[DaCityKats]

Why will Brandon Thompson bust?

[rayzor]

Why will Brandon Thompson bust?

cause he's from clemson?

i dunno. not understanding that one.

[JawnyBlaze]

1. Wilson would be a upgrade over Capt but would it be a better Upgrade then getting Brocker and a CB in the 2nd round?

2. So if you think he will never be a superstar then what are we debating about?

Not seeing the field means I don't think he can beat out Lafell or a healthy Gettis. So when will he be our #2 this year unless injuries happen again? And Is drafting him More important then getting a better defensive player?

3. Brandon Thomas will be a bust that is all.

4. If we draft Iloka I will avatar bet you he won't beat out martin.

1. No, it wouldn't. That's why I don't love the draft :)

2. Every player drafted doesn't have to be a superstar. Moose wasn't, but he was an integral part of our offense for many years. If Jeffery can be that, he's worth a 2nd round pick. I think there's room for Smitty, Lafell, Gettis and Jeffery. We need more than 3 NFL caliber WRs, and that's all we have right now in Smitty, Lafell and hopefully Gettis. And Smitty won't last forever, in 4 or 5 years when he's ready to hang it up we'd have 3 mid-career WRs who hopefully have improved and have become at least very good players, and we won't be stuck in the cycle we've been in for a while. 1 great WR (or maybe even none in the future scenario, who knows yet) and the rest are either too old or too young.

3. Disagree.

4. I don't feel strongly enough about Iloka to make bets, I don't even use an avatar for myself, not gonna add one because of a stupid bet I don't even care strongly about. I think there's a good chance he'd beat out Martin, but if we get him and he doesn't I'll just shrug my shoulders.

[DaCityKats]

cause he's from clemson?

i dunno. not understanding that one.

I guess tape lies. He was part of the reason why Bowers and Branch were able to get the numbers they got.

[koolkatluke]

who said he beat out cromarti? wilson was the corner covering the slot and he did well there. kept getting better all year. smart hard working. seriously i don't know what the problem is there. he's a massive upgrade from anyone we have aside from gamble and as good as anyone we'd find in the draft aside from claiborne. i like him as well as jenkins and better than kirkpatrick, mainly because he is a man coverage guy and would fit the Panthers D. him having the benefit of working with a very good defensive coaching staff at the jets and having spent a lot of time in a very long offseason working out and being mentored by darelle revis in arizona just makes him better.

as far as jeffery is concerned...it's another big reliable target for cam. needed? maybe not, but it most certainly wouldn't hurt. how can giving newton more big targets be a problem? esp. going into the future?

sorry, but that is completely rational.

But picking Jeffery does hurt if you could have used that 33 pick on a better defensive player.

It does hurt if he doesn't see the field which is a good bet when going against Lafell and Gettis.

He doesn't need more Targets. He needs a defense that can get stops and a short field twice or 3 times game.