Which Player Deserves One More Shot?

[top dawg]

I'd like to see Armanti get another chance, but not at WR. I think they should let him be the back up qb. His style is the same style as Cam's. Hes been in the league for awhile now so he understands the game. Maybe use him and cam as a dual qb set on plays. Dump Clausen, Draft Russel Wilson to be 3rd qb.

Strictly as a QB (not that anything else matters), Wilson > Edwards. Further evidence that this must be sarcasm.

[HeatCheck]

Far as im concerned Captain cant play nickel either, he got killed no matter where he was on the field last year. Im surprised people werent paying attention to this.

He's not that bad at nickel. Placing him in the nickel suits him because he has less ground to cover and he likes to play physical. Still doesn't posses the cover skills to be a starting corner but putting him inside hides his deficiencies while allowing his strengths to shine.

Where he really shines is on ST.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Adding another pass rusher won't take Hardy's job away. Having a rotation of rushers is a good thing. So if we add an Ingram, Coples, etc. It won't affect Hardy's chances of making the roster. He did decent considering the line.

Otah needs to go, I'm tired of hearing the same poo over and over again. "Oh he's making strides, he's so good.." Then blam, he's on IR. Tired of that crap.

Davis does deserve a shot he's putting in the work and I'd like to see him get another shot, see if he can make it happen.

[panthers55]

He's not that bad at nickel. Placing him in the nickel suits him because he has less ground to cover and he likes to play physical. Still doesn't posses the cover skills to be a starting corner but putting him inside hides his deficiencies while allowing his strengths to shine.

Where he really shines is on ST.

Playing the nickel usually means he will be lined up in man coverage unless we go to cover 3 and use him as the third safety. If we go, he will need to be lined up against slot receivers aka the Wes Welkers of the league. You think that is easy and doesn't require cover skills or the ability to cover ground??

[HeatCheck]

Playing the nickel usually means he will be lined up in man coverage unless we go to cover 3 and use him as the third safety. If we go, he will need to be lined up against slot receivers aka the Wes Welkers of the league. You think that is easy and doesn't require cover skills or the ability to cover ground??

Not as much as on the outside. You aren't as isolated.

[panthers55]

Not as much as on the outside. You aren't as isolated.

Depends on your scheme, those kind of generalizations are often not true. For example the nickel could play man while the corners play outside zone. Not the same at all.

[HeatCheck]

Depends on your scheme, those kind of generalizations are often not true. For example the nickel could play man while the corners play outside zone. Not the same at all.

Regardless of scheme you clearly aren't as isolated when playing the nickel. With the physicalness that Munnerlyn likes to play with it makes sense for him to be inside. He can get his hands on his WRs and be able to direct them towards the middle. When he is isolated on the outside he's not going to be able to direct WRs as easily. And he certainly wouldn't be able to recover as quickly. I've stated he's not that great of cover corner but you can hide that to a degree when he moved inside. I don't see how that generalization is not true especially with Captains style of play.

[panthers55]

Regardless of scheme you clearly aren't as isolated when playing the nickel. With the physicalness that Munnerlyn likes to play with it makes sense for him to be inside. He can get his hands on his WRs and be able to direct them towards the middle. When he is isolated on the outside he's not going to be able to direct WRs as easily. And he certainly wouldn't be able to recover as quickly. I don't see how that generalization is not true especially with Captains style of play.

That isn't true at all. In nickel you are 1 on 1 with your man. Most time the corner has help over the top from a center. The safeties are tracking the wides but most of the time the nickel man is isolated on his man with no help. He is able to usually play up on the receiver but you are not going to get help from a linebacker who is slower than you are. if you are playing a wes Welker or Steve Smith guy in the slot you are on your own unless you are specifically getting help by design because of who you are playing more than scheme. Corners routinely get help unless you are playing cover 0 or sometimes cover 1 and you are not on the primary receiver.

[carolinarolls]

whether they deserve it or not in our minds is irrelevant. Practically every name listed absolutely WILL get that considerable opportunity this year to solidify his role with the Panthers in the future as a starter, backup, or trade bait.

i am more interested in who makes the most of the opportunity.

[HeatCheck]

That isn't true at all. In nickel you are 1 on 1 with your man. Most time the corner has help over the top from a center. The safeties are tracking the wides but most of the time the nickel man is isolated on his man with no help. He is able to usually play up on the receiver but you are not going to get help from a linebacker who is slower than you are. if you are playing a wes Welker or Steve Smith guy in the slot you are on your own unless you are specifically getting help by design because of who you are playing more than scheme. Corners routinely get help unless you are playing cover 0 or sometimes cover 1 and you are not on the primary receiver.

If you are outside you are also one on one with you man, so not sure what you are trying to say there. You saw how many times Captain got beat on the outside this year even with the "help over the top." The safeties can help the slot receiver just as often because they are centralized.

I am not saying that Captain would pass off a receiver to a LB, that wouldn't be smart unless it was designed playing zone. I am just saying there are more bodies around the nickel back and with Captain's "skill set" it suits him to play nickel.

[TheOracle]

Hardy, Otah, and the clearly injured Gettis.

Apparently Marty Hurney needs to see Thomas Davis limp off the field one more time before he gets it.

[panthers55]

If you are outside you are also one on one with you man, so not sure what you are trying to say there. You saw how many times Captain got beat on the outside this year even with the "help over the top." The safeties can help the slot receiver just as often because they are centralized.

I am not saying that Captain would pass off a receiver to a LB, that wouldn't be smart unless it was designed playing zone. I am just saying there are more bodies around the nickel back and with Captain's "skill set" it suits him to play nickel.

What I am saying is that the nickel is usually in man while the corner could be in man or zone. If the nickle plays man and the corner plays outside zone they are both not 1 on 1 in the same way. The corner has a 10-15 yard area to cover and you hand off anyone deep to the safety. The problem for the Captain was often the help didn't arrive or came late. I am not saying he was fine or that we don't need to upgrade, but the safeties did little to make him look better. But your point that the nickel is easier than corner is a generalization not a hard fast truth. What would make Munnerlyn better as a nickel is that he is better in tight man coverage than in zone not because it is an easier position. So yes he would be a better nickel corner but as you say it is because his skill set is better.

[HeatCheck]

So your whole assumption is based on the fact that nickel plays man and the outside play zone. Even in that situation I'd rather have him playing nickel because if the corners are playing zone they'd be able to help the nickel as well.

Not saying he will succeed at nickel because it's easier to play (Although I personally think it is). All I said was that it takes a different skill set and it's almost a different position altogether. And that's why he is better suited to play there. He likes to play physical and he wouldnt be as isolated, not sure how you can argue that.

[panthers55]

So your whole assumption is based on the fact that nickel plays man and the outside play zone. Even in that situation I'd rather have him playing nickel because if the corners are playing zone they'd be able to help the nickel as well.

Not saying he will succeed at nickel because it's easier to play (Although I personally think it is). All I said was that it takes a different skill set and it's almost a different position altogether. And that's why he is better suited to play there. He likes to play physical and he wouldnt be as isolated, not sure how you can argue that.

Your the one who started this off making assumptions. I just simple demonstrated where your thinking may or may not be accurate based on scheme and circumstance. And no playing nickel is not easier, it is different and requires different skill sets, you said so yourself. And no a nickel corner doesn't get more help playing their man if the secondary is in man and the linebackers are blitzing. More assumptions which may or may not be true,

Is free safety easier to play than strong safety? Is WLB easier to play than MLB? The answer to all those questions is not necessarily. It depends on the individual and their skill sets. For example beason played at a prolevel at MLB and struggled to play Will while common wisdom is that it is easier than MLB to play. But it isn't, it is different.