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Do you believe suicides go to hell?


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You are the one who brought up science and how it had no evidence. I am just asking how science tests or gets results or proves or disproves "existence". Would that by definition be outside of the scientific realm? Oooh gasp!

It was a question. You can frame it with monsters under the bed, but when I cut the light on, they are not there. Doubt it is the same. If you don't have an answer, just move on and try not to demean everyone on your way out.

Sorry didn't intend to offend anyone, here you go...

We can think of a simple test setup. Place a target, such as a card with a secret message, on a high shelf in the operating room, facing the ceiling so that it is unreadable not only by the patient on the table but by the hospital staff in the room. Then if a patient has a near-death experience that involves the commonly reported sensation of moving outside her body and floating above the operating table, she should be able to read that message

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This experiment has been tried several times without a single subject succeeding in reading the message under controlled conditions. I understand that more experiments of this type are now being carried out, but I haven't heard any results yet.

Researchers in the field would love nothing better than to verify the afterlife. But they are beginning to have second thoughts. One prominent, long-time investigator, Kenneth Ring has commented that after decades of research we would have by now expected more than few positive results under controlled conditions. This is the upshot of the 40 years of research. Investigators can't point to a single verifiable case in which the experiencer reported something they could not have known ahead of time.

As brain function decreases, we lose consciousness, as when under full anesthesia. Why should that be if consciousness resides in an immaterial soul? Brain scans today can locate the portions of the brain where different types of thoughts arise, including emotions and religious thoughts. When that part of the brain is destroyed by surgery or injury, those types of thoughts disappear. Let's face it; so-called spirituality is all in the head. It's purely material in nature.

You often will hear it said, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." This is not true. Absence of evidence is evidence for absence when that evidence should be there. If life after death exists, then evidence should be there. It is not. Life-after-death can be ruled out scientifically beyond a reasonable doubt.

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