Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

The Turners and Cleveland? Perhaps not


TruCatzFan

Recommended Posts

We've all heard the speculation surrounding Norv and especially with his son following Chud to Cleveland. We know that Norv is on vacation Ian Hawaii and is contemplating his next move very carefully. As reported by ESPN his potential landing spots are numerous. I is believed by many that the younger Turner is going with Chud to Cleveland, although I have not heard this from the team or anything in black and white even guaranteeing as much. It's just believed...

Let me propose an off the wall scenario though. It may sound crazy, but this could happen.

Say this... Say they (Cleveland) bring Norv in for an interview or what not... What's to say that he takes the job? (Here it comes) what if* he decides that his very own son should have the job? I mean... The younger Turner has been an assistant at various places for years... What if his dad decides that he doesn't want to be in Cleveland because it could actually hinder his sons career? I know it sounds crazy... And it could end up going the opposite way with Turner mentoring his son right there in the booth for a couple of years before the younger Turner is "ready"

My questions are:

Is the younger Turner really going to Cleveland?

Could we hire him as our OC? And possibly get Norv as well?

I've been a proponent of hiring Norv as OC since week 6 when the speculation of Norv being fired arose. I started this whole push for Norv way back then as most of you will remember. <---- that's not important, but I really think that NoRv would be a great fit here...

It seems as though at least through the initial reports that this wont be an option for us... But I sure do wish that we could get Norv obviously.

Ay ties between Gettleman and Norv? I know there's lots of ties with Ron/Norv/Chud

I'm just as curious and as anxious as anyone here to get some finality to all of this... Only because I'm not a very patient person. I just figure the sooner the better...

So what do you guys think about what I threw out there? I say very slim chance we get Norv.... But I sure do want him.

Anyways, that's all I got for now

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Has the young Turner ever called plays before? I don't even know that he's been a position coach, just a quality control coach. I don't think anybody is going ot make him a coordinator right now.

I don't think he's ready yet... But he's been an Assistant to Chud for years, so he could be. At what point would he be ready? This is something that I admittedly lack the knowledge on. Common sense says that someone will give him a shot at OC eventually... Isn't that how every coach gets his start?

I just really want Norv

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Young Turner is Chudz right hand man... Putting him as the OC is too much too soon. I see Young Turner definitely going to Cleveland. As for Norv I have no idea because Chud himself said "If I don't feel comfortable letting someone else call the plays... I'll call the plays" honestly I don't see Norv going to Cleveland just to sit there so.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't think he's ready yet... But he's been an Assistant to Chud for years, so he could be. At what point would he be ready? This is something that I admittedly lack the knowledge on. Common sense says that someone will give him a shot at OC eventually... Isn't that how every coach gets his start?

I just really want Norv

A lot of NFL offensive coordinators will have had time calling plays before as a college coordinator or head coach. Otherwise, they are usually respected position coaches that are considered up and comers (Mike McCoy) or long time guys that have a lot of time in the pro game. I just don't know that Turner has anything along those lines, so it would be an odd hire for somebody.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Posts

    • You may be interested to know that the average depth of separation is dependent upon the type of route run. Though go-routes are the most type of route run, they also produce the least amount of separation (and, of course, completions).   "The average pass catcher runs a go route on nearly a quarter of all routes (22.3%), the highest percentage of any route type in our data. However, those routes are targeted roughly 1 out of 10 times (10.8 percent), the lowest target rate of any route. The WR screen is the least-run route (3.4%), and it's the only route where the average target is behind the line of scrimmage. But it's also targeted at the highest rate (40.7%) and early in the play (1.6 seconds average time to throw). The most targeted routes outside of the WR Screen? The out (27.8%) and slant (25.2%) routes are the next most popular across the league."     "The most valuable routes by expected points added per target were the post (+0.48) and corner (+0.43) routes. The go route (+0.19) ranked seventh on the list of 10 route types. The go route (+0.19) ranked seventh on the list of 10 route types. One possible reason for this: It's harder to separate on go routes, which put the player on a straight path, than on posts or corners, which ask the player to make a cut. Targeted pass catchers on posts and corners average 2.4 yards and 2.3 yards of separation from the nearest defender, respectively, while pass catchers targeted on go routes average just 1.8 yards of separation."   https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-stats-intro-to-new-route-recognition-model#:~:text=Targeted pass catchers on posts,) and slant (+0.26).   I would expect that Thielen would have an easier time catching the ball based that he runs the routes where it's easier to get open. Tet? Yet to be seen, but we may be better served getting him on some slants and crossers also.  In general, receivers are going to average a lower completion percentage and yards of separation on certain types of routes than others, that's why we shouldn't necessarily be taking stats, even advanced ones, at face value, as there are dynamics that most aren't even thinking about.  In terms of Tet, he's bigger and somewhat slower than a smaller dude, so you'd expect him not to have as much separation on go-routes, but his catch radius is massive and his hands are awesome. Hitting him in stride will probably be killer, but of course QBs are less accurate on go-routes according to the stats. Depending upon Tet's route versatility and how he is used, we could have a unicorn though. He's relatively fast, has great hands and gets YAC (and on an off note, if X can hold on to the ball, he's dangerous as well because he already has shown some separation ability).    
    • Most elite WRs aren't necessarily burners. Not a lot of elite WRs in the modern era were 4.3 guys. If anything, sometimes it seems like the super fast guys use their speed as a crutch and it hampers their development in the intricacies of route running.
×
×
  • Create New...