Parcells & Taylor have solution to read-options(play-action run).genius

[Proudiddy]

well, i would add to that mystery whether or not the QB was going to throw. we just left out that part around here. there has to be an element of play action in it.

Definitely... I was just referring to the read option itself. If the pass is a threat, you can't commit guys like you would when you know it's a run.

That being said, even if you kept keying on the QB with athletic DEs, you can't go wrong. The key is the QB.

But, yeah, our problem were many early on... Among them, there was absolutely no guesswork when it came to formations, tendencies, blocking, etc.

[rayzor]

Definitely... I was just referring to the read option itself. If the pass is a threat, you can't commit guys like you would when you know it's a run.

That being said, even if you kept keying on the QB with athletic DEs, you can't go wrong. The key is the QB.

But, yeah, our problem were many early on... Among them, there was absolutely no guesswork when it came to formations, tendencies, blocking, etc.

one of the things that kelly did quite often was run play action off of it along with a lot of other more traditional plays.

the more dimension you add to it, the more successful it will be....just like any other running scheme.

[beastson]

First off, doesn't even make sense

Why? The read-option isn't run every play, well it's not supposed to be, so there's no way to know when its coming

You stop the person with the ball, not the one without. What team is going to go away from big play gains

[rayzor]

First off, doesn't even make sense

Why? The read-option isn't run every play, well it's not supposed to be, so there's no way to know when its coming

You stop the person with the ball, not the one without. What team is going to go away from big play gains

agreed, but that's the way we ran it.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Parcells is right. Obviously, if it's a fake run, you have to pull up and not hit the QB. But if you direct the D (usually the DE) to play the QB on all apparent read options, it can be effective.

That would work if that DE is not accounted for by a LT/RT. Those guys are being blocked too, you know. It takes them a good 3s for most DE to get to the QB, by then the RB is already in the secondary. That strategy could have some success if the read-option was the main offense. The 49ers only run it on a keep by the QB maybe 6 times per game where on most games teams run about 70 plays. Even RG3 didn't keep it that much. That's why Morris jacked those defenses for 1600yards. Pretty much needle in a haysack. Now you have a LB/DE doing nothing on 64 other plays. Not smart.

[beastson]

You have an offensive line, and TE's if you want to add them. I mean you don't just let people roam around being untouched. Its usually man on man

[Stroupe-a-loop]

I am not really sure what the original poster is trying to say with play action and adjusting defenses, but it sounds like parcells is just advocating playing your defense and hitting the quarterback as often as possible when you have the opportunity. You'll get flagged a few times, but the hesitation and wear and tear on the quarterback will probably be worth it.

[Guest BlueBoy]

long story short:

Parcells said this morning on a sh*tty sports show that teams need to realize to treat the read option like a play action

The read option should be renamed "play-action run". Because, same as the play-action pass you have to have a running game or threat of a run. The more you think of teams that run the read option the more you realize how scary it is to defend against. Our Cam gutted those defenses for 740 yards on a 'slump' year with bad OL. And not to mention over 3800 yards through the air. I love this offense. No one can stop it but Rivera. If Kaepernick had started the whole year he'd probably rush for 1000 yards.

[beastson]

The read option should be renamed "play-action run". Because, same as the play-action pass you have to have a running game or threat of a run. The more you think of teams that run the read option the more you realize how scary it is to defend against. Our Cam gutted those defenses for 740 yards on a 'slump' year with bad OL. And not to mention over 3800 yards through the air. I love this offense. No one can stop it but Rivera. If Kaepernick had started the whole year he'd probably rush for 1000 yards.

The offense is fine, unfortunately the play calls at certain times and on certain downs is the reason we missed the playoffs once again

[TbTeRRoR]

Also, isn't the RB half of the read-option? So he'd give the RBs 15yards per play just to touch the QBs? Now I get it. I am not good at understanding the words of geniuses. With those 15 yards per play by the time they put enoug hits on those QBs they'd be 5 TDs up with the back up doing clean up duty.

when you are playing agianst an option you have man to man responsibilites. You tell your DE not to guess and go for QB. The OLB is responsible for the RB and not charging in after the QB. Isn't this just plain ole assignment football they talk about it in college all the time. Trust your teammates to be where they are supposed to and don't shirk your assignment on option plays.

Edit: Also on pitch plays your still allowed to blow the QB up because he's not passing I could be wrong not sure?

[Guest BlueBoy]

one defender usually determines (DE) who gets the ball on a read option. most of the time, that defender is free. if that defender plays the QB all the time, it will dictate that the running back gets the ball. the defender doesn't necessarily have to touch the qb, he just has to "play" him.

the rest of the defense plays the back.

Then the RBs would be in the secondary on every play. And remember, the read-option is played on both left and right side. That's to LB/DE ignoring the RB on every play just "playing" the QB. You're advocating double teaming the QB on every play. Now the offense is one player up, what do you think OCs gonna use that free player for? Walk in TD.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Agreed, but IMO, what makes the read-option effective is the mystery of who is getting/keeping the ball. If you ensure that a dynamic QB can't run if he keeps it, you can live with the RB getting his yards, because they are a runner by design anyway...

RBs are capable of gutting defenses for 250 yards so those read-option offenses would take that too. You think the 49ers would feel sad if Kaepernick run for 0 yard while gore rack up 250. More than one way to skin a cat.

[Guest BlueBoy]

Actually, everyone should listen to The Great Proudiddy.

If you have a solid front 7, key on the QB. Not repeatedly hit him, but you contain him every play. You approach each play as though he is going to run it.

Go back and watch what the Giants game from this year. That is exactly what they did to us. If your front 7 is strong enough, give the RB his carries and live with it.

Well, they couldn't do the same to the Redskins that played them twice.

[Guest BlueBoy]

you could easily argue our G play at that point was the worst in the NFL (Piggy and a very shakey rookie).

read option has proven to work on good fronts. Bad OL play pretty much squashes anything.

The Giants got manhandled twice by the skins. A much inferior team personnel wise they still were on skate most of the game by the read option. Even Justin Tuck said his peace about facing that offense and happy he was facing Brees the following week.