Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

The league's only black OC makes it to the Super Bowl....


King Taharqa

Recommended Posts

And you're basing this off of? Mike McCoy automatically is a better x and o guy than Mike Tomlin because he's white? How did Mike Tomlin beat Ken Whisenhunt in the Super Bowl? Shouldnt the white guy be superior? How did Jim Caldwell get his offenses to outperform Denvers & New Englands?

Strawman logic. 1 black person's opportunity=the end of the white race. Making white people "compete" for jobs automatically means we want them eradicated entirely. Your argument is very over the top. If you are "superior" why so afraid of "competition"?

I bet Kevin Love would disagree with you. And just because someone is born of a particular race does not AUTOMATICALLY make them superior to another person.

Does this logic apply to Keek? Is it safe to say he'll never be as good as James Anderson or Beason because he's a white guy playing a position that blacks are "just better at"? See the slippery slope we go down when we "generalize" a race as being superior to another with no basis or facts behind our argument. This is also the logic people used towards the QB position that whites were "naturally" better so they reasoned that Clausen & Moore were "safer" bets and more cerebal than Cam. Since Cam was given an opportunity to showcase his talents, we no longer see people clinging to this eugenic ideal. 2 years ago it was "black QBs dont go to the Super Bowl", now we have people championing Colin Kaepernick. If given an opportunity I think these black OCs, QB coaches, and head coaches would do better than you're portraying.

Your original argument was none existed. Now its "none start". And there are white WRs who DO start and have a presence in the NFL in 2013. The same cant be said for black ocs and Qb coaches

what?

Just my opinion KT, mainly cause I have seen your posts before, but most of the time you turn things into a race argument when there doesn't need to be one. For every example you have given me, I can give you at least five that go against your opinion. The race of black coaches to white coaches in the NFL is actually pretty close but because there is not a black man that is leading an offense on a team you get upset. I could easily get upset that there are no starting running backs who are white but I don't because I realize for the most part the best running backs are already starting. Sure there are some black coaches that deserve to be HC's and OC's but for the most part they get the same interview that everyone else does. When you start to make teams hire a certain race is when the NFL becomes more about race than football.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The league's only black Offensive Coordinator just won the Super Bowl. Congrats to Jimmy Caldwell, and congrats to Joey Flacco. 11 TDs, 0 INTs in the 2013 playoffs. You beat Luck, you beat Peyton, you beat Brady, you beat Kap. Super Bowl MVP. Job well done guys.

nfl_g_flacco11_600.jpg

If he repeats his success next year Jim Caldwell will get interviews for a HC gig

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Would it matter if he won the super bowl if he was white?

If he were, emotionally doubt it wouldve drew a response from you. We should all be proud of Caldwell for shattering a eugenic/phrenology stereotype that only white guys are smart enough/qualified enough to be successful offensive coordinators in the NFL. That a black man can be a leader/play caller on offense the same way theyve been on defense. How appropriate this happened Black History Month.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If he were, emotionally doubt it wouldve drew a response from you. We should all be proud of Caldwell for shattering a eugenic/phrenology stereotype that only white guys are smart enough/qualified enough to be successful offensive coordinators in the NFL. That a black man can be a leader/play caller on offense the same way theyve been on defense. How appropriate this happened Black History Month.

Oh jesus.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hiring quotas won't fix the discrepancy (which I question that one even exists, there have been lots of black coaches in recent history, they are fairly represented) nor will interview quotas. If someone was racist, why would interviewing a black coach change their mind. The Rooney rule makes no sense at all.

If you force teams to hire black coaches then you're discriminating against other potential candidates.

This argument turns into visceral drivel usually. First prove their is a discrepancy in recent years, then prove it's caused by racism. Once you do, put up a solution to the problem. Seeing the thread devolve into a whiny race war is not even approaching a solution.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • I had started typing my post hours ago and didn’t finish it and just came back to finish it, posted it, then saw yours and saw we were pretty much saying the same thing - even the games that stick out to us most.  I don’t think a lot of people remember that SF playoff game, but I felt like I had just got mugged in broad daylight.  I remember them calling Mitchell for unnecessary roughness, and then I remember watching Boldin take a super late cheap shot, dead in front of the ref and then showing him watching the whole thing in replay…  the refs let them have a fuging field day and didn’t do jack poo, but if we so much as breathed the wrong way it was fuging 15 yards.  Each team playing under two completely different sets of rules.  poo hurt.  I was enraged.  I’ve never went back to watch either that game or SB50 and never will.  fuging robbery.
    • I’ve said it a million times since, but it’s impossible to keep them from affecting the game.  In SB50, they literally took the game from us, and they did it early.  Cotchery’s no-catch?  The miraculous amount of times we converted for a first down only to have it suddenly called back make it a 3rd down and 15+ against the best defense in the league that specialized in rushing the passer and man coverage on the back end?  And you do that enough times, you kill the morale and confidence of the team you’re doing it against.  It’s telling the one team “you can do whatever with impunity” and the other “you can’t do whatever they’re allowed to do.”  It changes the aggression level.  It essentially neuters one team and allows the other to do whatever the fug they want.  Imagine you call the police for help and they get there and tell you to sit still while the other party beats the poo out of you and you can’t defend yourself.  That’s what the officials do.  There is no way to avoid them affecting the game.  And more often than not, it’s the most subjective calls they use to do so.  Even in SB50…  you saw the Broncos commit more egregious penalties than anything we did, and barely any of it was called.  Their OL was holding all fuging game and the refs did nothing.  We already had our work cut out for us against two future HOF edge rushers and the refs played to their advantage with that.  From what I remember, both Oher and Remmers were called for holding at various times and their hands were in the INSIDE of the defender.  It was garbage, but all by design. Also, if there is any video of it anywhere, go look at what the refs did against us back in 2013 against SF.  The fix was in there too.  They stepped in early and often and ensured we knew we were not allowed to play with the same aggression or intensity SF was.  It was disgusting as well. at this point, I hope Vince McMahon, errr, I mean Goodell just finally scripts us to win it, because this poo is not won via competition or off merit.
    • You can go back to the New York Knicks somehow getting Patrick Ewing.  I saw a story where they place the New York Knick card in the freezer right before the drawing.  It was simple.  Show everyone the cards are undetectable to the human eye.  All they had to do was grab the coldest card. IMO ever since Goodell took over the NFL it has been fishy.  Patriots winning the SB after 9/11, New Orleans after Katrina and Peyton Manning's going away gift against us. The terrible calls during that game were blatantly one sided.  New England should have been stripped of their first 3 SB when they were caught spying on the other team in their SB wins.  I think the evidence against the Patriots was so damning Goodell felt it could ruin football and they brushed it under the table.   In the 2004 SB, How did we go from practically no yards in the first Quarter to setting a record in the 3rd Qtr.  Dan Henning changes the game plan.  IMO probably the greatest half time adjustment of all time.  
×
×
  • Create New...