My case to why we should not take an OT at 14

[carolina-chuck]

I like how you get defensive when people don't agree with you.

Gif approved

[koolkatluke]

Hahaha what? Really ?

I think 95% of the members on here would say that exact quote you just said to you. Wow! I'm going to sleep buddy

Really Chuck?? Do you honestly think you're the voice of the people???

[C47]

I know this is a lot to ask but what were the stats of some of those 1st round WR so we can see their impact on their teams.

These are Receiving Statistics Only....

REC/YDS/TD

2003

Charles Rogers: 22/243/3

Andre Johnson: 66/976/4

Bryant Johnson: 35/438/1

2004

Fitz: 58/780/8

Roy Williams: 54/817/8

Reggie Williams: 27/268/1

Lee Evans: 48/843/9

Michael Clayton: 80/1193/7

Michael Jenkins: 7/119/0

Rashaun Woods: 7/160/1

2005

Braylon Edwards: 32/512/3

Troy Williamson: 24/372/2

Mike Williams: 29/350/1

Matt Jones: 36/432/5

Mark Clayton: 44/471/2

Roddy White: 29/446/3

2006

Santonio Holmes: 49/824/2

2007

Megatron: 48/756/4

Ginn Jr: 34/420/2

Bowe: 70/995/5

Robert Meachem: 0/0/0

Craig Davis: 20/188/1

Anthony Gonzalez: 37/576/3

2008

No first round WRS

2009

Heyward-Bay: 9/124/1

Crabtree: 48/625/2

Maclin: 55/762/4

Harvin: 60/790/6

Nicks: 47/790/6

Britt: 42/701/3

2010

Demaryius Thomas: 22/283/2

Dez Bryant: 45/561/6

2011

AJ Green: 65/1057/7

Julio: 54/955/8

Jon Baldwin: 21/254/1

2012

Blackmon: 64/865/5

Michael Floyd: 45/562/2

Kendall Wright: 64/626/4

AJ Jenkins: 0/0/0

FWIW, only Andre, Fitz, Michael Clayton, AJ Green, Justin Blackmon and Kendall Wright led their respective teams in receptions the year they were drafted....

[koolkatluke]

These are Receiving Statistics Only....

2003

Charles Rogers: 22 catches, 243 yards, 3TD

Andre Johnson: 66 REC, 976 YDS, 4TD

Bryant Johnson: 35 REC, 438 YDS, 1TD

2004

Fitz: 58/780/8

Roy Williams: 54/817/8

Reggie Williams: 27/268/1

Lee Evans: 48/843/9

Michael Clayton: 80/1193/7

Michael Jenkins: 7/119/0

Rashaun Woods: 7/160/1

2005

Braylon Edwards: 32/512/3

Troy Williamson: 24/372/2

Mike Williams: 29/350/1

Matt Jones: 36/432/5

Mark Clayton: 44/471/2

Roddy White: 29/446/3

2006

Santonio Holmes: 49/824/2

2007

Megatron: 48/756/4

Ginn Jr: 34/420/2

Bowe: 70/995/5

Robert Meachem: 0/0/0

Craig Davis: 20/188/1

Anthony Gonzalez: 37/576/3

2008

No first round WRS

2009

Heyward-Bay: 9/124/1

Crabtree: 48/625/2

Maclin: 55/762/4

Harvin: 60/790/6

Nicks: 47/790/6

Britt: 42/701/3

2010

Demaryius Thomas: 22/283/2

Dez Bryant: 45/561/6

2011

AJ Green: 65/1057/7

Julio: 54/955/8

Jon Baldwin: 21/254/1

2012

Blackmon: 64/865/5

Michael Floyd: 45/562/2

Kendall Wright: 64/626/4

AJ Jenkins: 0/0/0

FWIW, only Fitz and Kendall Wright led their respective teams in receptions the year they were drafted....

Excellent Work my friend. I ask for a little you give me the Buffet of info. Thank you very much.

[C47]

Excellent Work my friend. I ask for a little you give me the Buffet of info. Thank you very much.

NP, on second look through Andre, Michael Clayton, Blackmon and AJ Green also led their teams in receptions....

[LinvilleGorge]

14 is too high for a mauler in Warmack? Whoa, you're insane. We'd be lucky if Warmack is still there at 14.

Cooper, it depends how high you have him on your board. I have seen someone on NFL network last week who had him going before Warmack to Tennessee, bc he's more athletic than Warmack and can play all three interior OLINE positions.

Wait, just a couple of pages ago you were saying this wasn't a smash mouth league anymore an mauling OLs weren't necessary in the new pass heavy NFL. Which is it?

Personally, I don't want any OL other than a LT in the top half of the 1st round.

Every year the analysts overrate where the first interior OL will go. If there's elite interior OL prospects, the first usually goes in the early to mid-20s. If not, it's often early in the 2cd. Hell, tons of analysts were mocking DeCastro in the top 10 last year. They just here NFL types raving about the guys and end up overrating them. Yes, the NFL guys rave about them, but they're still interior OL players and those aren't premium positions. You only draft premium positions in the top half of the 1st round.

[Kevin Greene]

Conclusion: At the end of the day, we're better off grooming later round guys of our owns, and going the FA route for veterans O-linemen. Knowing Accorsi and Reese, Gettleman should stay true to his NY Philosophy.

OK now do the same thing for the WR position.

Also, you do realize most Super Bowl teams (Like the Ravens and Steelers) draft late due to a very good record the year before, all the prized OT's being gone by then. If one of the top 3 is there at 14 you take them. And count yourself damned lucky.

[C47]

OK now do the same thing for the WR position.

Also, you do realize most Super Bowl teams (Like the Ravens and Steelers) draft late due to a very good record the year before, all the prized OT's being gone by then. If one of the top 3 is there you take them. And count yourself damned lucky.

Ask and you shall receive....

2003

Detroit: 5-11 Joey Harrington

Houston: 5-11 David Carr/Tony Banks

Arizona: 4-12: Jeff Blake/Josh McCown

2004

Arizona: 6-10 Josh McCown

Detroit: 6-10 Joey Harrington

Jacksonville: 9-7 Byron Leftwich

Buffalo: 9-7 Drew Bledsoe

Tampa: 5-11 Brian Greise/Brad Johnson

Atlanta: 11-5 Michael Vick/Matt Schaubb

SF: 2-14 Tim Rattay/Ken Dorsey

2005

Cleveland: 6-10 Trent Dilfer/Charlie Frye

Minnesota: 9-7 Brad Johnson/Daunte Culpepper

Detroit: 5-11 Joey Harrington/Jeff Garcia

Jacksonville: 12-4 Byron Leftwich/David Garrad

Baltimore: 6-10 Kyle Boller/Anthony Wright

Atlanta: 8-8 Michael Vick

2006

Pittsburgh: 8-8 Big Ben

2007

Detroit: 7-9 Jon Kitna

Miami: 1-15 Cleo Lemmon/Trent Green/John Beck

KC: 4-12 Damon Huard/Brodie Croyle

New Orleans: 7-9 Brees

San Diego: 11-5 Rivers

Indy: 13-3 Manning

2008

None taken in first

2009

Oakland: 5-11 Russell/Bruce Gradkowski/Charlie Frye

SF: 8-8 Alex Smith/Shaun Hill

PHI: 11-5 McRibb/Kevin Kolb

MN: 12-4 Favre

NYG: 8-8 Manning

TN: 8-8 Vince Young/Kerry Collins

2010

Denver: 4-12 Kyle Orton/The Golden Calf of Bristol

Dallas: 6-10 Jon Kitna/Tony Romo

2011

Cinci: 9-7 Dalton

Atlanta: 10-6 Ryan

KC: 7-9 Matt Cassel/Tyler Palko/Kyle Orton

2012

Jacksonville: 2-14 Chad Henne/Blaine Gabbart

Arizona: 5-11 John Skelton/Kevin Kolb/Ryan Lindley

TN: 6-10 Jake Locker/Matt Hasselbeck

SF: 11-4 Alex Smith/Colin Kaepernick

Again, we're looking at this in a bit of a vacuum, ignoring factors like who was the QB, if the drafted player played significant snaps (see 2012 SF) etc.....

EDIT: Added the Quarterbacks because I feel it gives a better representation.....

These are Receiving Statistics Only....

REC/YDS/TD

2003

Charles Rogers: 22/243/3

Andre Johnson: 66/976/4

Bryant Johnson: 35/438/1

2004

Fitz: 58/780/8

Roy Williams: 54/817/8

Reggie Williams: 27/268/1

Lee Evans: 48/843/9

Michael Clayton: 80/1193/7

Michael Jenkins: 7/119/0

Rashaun Woods: 7/160/1

2005

Braylon Edwards: 32/512/3

Troy Williamson: 24/372/2

Mike Williams: 29/350/1

Matt Jones: 36/432/5

Mark Clayton: 44/471/2

Roddy White: 29/446/3

2006

Santonio Holmes: 49/824/2

2007

Megatron: 48/756/4

Ginn Jr: 34/420/2

Bowe: 70/995/5

Robert Meachem: 0/0/0

Craig Davis: 20/188/1

Anthony Gonzalez: 37/576/3

2008

No first round WRS

2009

Heyward-Bay: 9/124/1

Crabtree: 48/625/2

Maclin: 55/762/4

Harvin: 60/790/6

Nicks: 47/790/6

Britt: 42/701/3

2010

Demaryius Thomas: 22/283/2

Dez Bryant: 45/561/6

2011

AJ Green: 65/1057/7

Julio: 54/955/8

Jon Baldwin: 21/254/1

2012

Blackmon: 64/865/5

Michael Floyd: 45/562/2

Kendall Wright: 64/626/4

AJ Jenkins: 0/0/0

FWIW, only Andre, Fitz, Michael Clayton, AJ Green, Justin Blackmon and Kendall Wright led their respective teams in receptions the year they were drafted....

There ya go....

[Kevin Greene]

Fitz lead the team in receiving with 780 yards?

[C47]

Fitz lead the team in receiving with 780 yards?

Josh McCown was awesome apparently....

[LinvilleGorge]

The only way a rookie would lead the Panthers in receiving is if Smitty got hurt.

If we drafted Patterson, I would expect Demaryius Thomas type receiving numbers. I'd just hope we could get him involved elsewhere with returns, reverses etc. to maximize his impact as a rookie. He's going to have a steep NFL learning curve. There's big bust potential with him IMO.

[koolkatluke]

The only way a rookie would lead the Panthers in receiving is if Smitty got hurt.

If we drafted Patterson, I would expect Demaryius Thomas type receiving numbers. I'd just hope we could get him involved elsewhere with returns, reverses etc. to maximize his impact as a rookie. He's going to have a steep NFL learning curve. There's big bust potential with him IMO.

Now that we have Ginn to do the return thing. It lessen the impact he would have there.

[LinvilleGorge]

Now that we have Ginn to do the return thing. It lessen the impact he would have there.

If Patterson ended up being a more effective return man, Ginn might not even make the final roster in that hypothetical situation.

[koolkatluke]

If Patterson ended up being a more effective return man, Ginn might not even make the final roster in that hypothetical situation.

Then you have to ask yourself why would you draft him if you have one of the best return specialist in the league. Cutting off some of his impact. And you have to wait for his impact as a wr.

If you draft him and he loses out to Ginn for the KR/PR job. You have a top 14 pick on the field only for 3 wr sets. How much impact is that?