Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Ron Rivera: Norv Turner Clone?


MHS831

Recommended Posts

During his years as a DC in San Diego, the Chargers had one of the best defenses in the NFL, along with one of the best offenses.  Super Bowl? Playoff domination?  Nope.  Underachievement.  Norv Turner was often criticized by the same terminology used to describe Rivera.  Here is what they did together--see a pattern?

 

2008 Chargers were 4-8 and won the last 4 to finish 8-8 and make the playoffs.

2009 Chargers were 2-3 and won the last 11 games to finish 13-3. Upset in playoffs

2010 Chargers were 2-5 and then went 7-2 to finish the year at 9-7. Incredible underachievement

 

Now lets take a look at what you already know, the Panther record over the past 2+ seasons, under RR's guidance:

 

2011 Panthers start season 2-8, win 4 of 6 to finish the season at 6-10.

2012 Panthers start season 2-8, win 5 of 6 to finish the season 7-9.

2013 Panthers start season 0-2......

 

Did we get the Hispanic version of Norv Turner?  Same dermatologist, same philosophy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yea it's more like a fusion of mike singletary's own ineptitude minus the pants dropping and the panthers' intrinsic capability to win games only when they're already or very close to being mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, but I can see how you could get that confused with Norv's late season surging.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think Rivera is more of a Mike Singletary.....

 

 

Now hopefully we can find our Jim Harbaugh

 

I see your point, but I am referring to the person who may have influenced Rivera by working with him.  Rivera was widely known to be seeking a head coaching job when in SD, so he was probably learning under Norv.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It is no secret that Norv was a tremendous underachiever in SD, and if RR wanted to become a head coach, he would be watching and learning.  That is how people develop their philosophies toward the game.  Rivera does not have the attack gene in him--he thinks it is "desperation." 

 

There are some idiots (FB) who learn all they know about football from EA Sports, and they will have difficulty comprehending not only the English language but the dynamics of football's apprenticeship.  See how many head coaches were understudies of the top coaches in football and you see that their philosophies about the game were forged by the head coach at the time.  Rivera studied under Norv Turner when he was auditioning.  The patterns are similar because their approach to football is similar. 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well at least Norv has actually had a winning season.

 

Give that team to a Harbaugh, Parcells, or Cowher, they win the super bowl going away,  They had the #1 rated defense and the #1 rated offense in the NFL that season.  How do you NOT win the super bowl?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This team has all the pieces to at least be competitive, it boggles the mind how we continue to get beaten by crappy teams year in year out. The only reason the Bills won is because their D-Line is nasty. If they traded D-Lines with, say, Atlanta? We win, hands down. That's still no excuse. This team has the talent already on the roster to play competitively. Yes the O-Line is terrible, yes the receivers leave much to be desired, yes the secondary is a basket case. But ALL teams have holes. The good teams learn to cope with those holes.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

During his years as a DC in San Diego, the Chargers had one of the best defenses in the NFL, along with one of the best offenses. Super Bowl? Playoff domination? Nope. Underachievement. Norv Turner was often criticized by the same terminology used to describe Rivera. Here is what they did together--see a pattern?

2008 Chargers were 4-8 and won the last 4 to finish 8-8 and make the playoffs.

2009 Chargers were 2-3 and won the last 11 games to finish 13-3. Upset in playoffs

2010 Chargers were 2-5 and then went 7-2 to finish the year at 9-7. Incredible underachievement

Now lets take a look at what you already know, the Panther record over the past 2+ seasons, under RR's guidance:

2011 Panthers start season 2-8, win 4 of 6 to finish the season at 6-10.

2012 Panthers start season 2-8, win 5 of 6 to finish the season 7-9.

2013 Panthers start season 0-2......

Did we get the Hispanic version of Norv Turner? Same dermatologist, same philosophy.

Too bad Norv Turner has never been DC. Kind of destroys the whole comparison.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Too bad Norv Turner has never been DC. Kind of destroys the whole comparison.

 

  Nobody was learning DC from Norv and it makes no difference what RR was at the time--Rivera was learning HC from Norv. 

 

Please tell me that point did not escape you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • In my view, the realistic expectation for this team to compete will start 2027.  At that time, I think we could be looking at the following (this is HIGHLY speculative):   QB:  You know, Bryce.  I am not a fan, but they don't ask me.  But there is reason for hope--and here it is.  Bryce will be entering his prime.  Since we are likely to pay him, there will be changes that I include throughout this exercise--I realistically speculate on what they are going to do with Bryce and then I realistically speculate on what means in terms of the cap and other positions. Bryce HAS IMPROVED.  The idea is that if you give him more weapons and protection, that will continue.  His career:   At this rate, if his growth continues, by 2027 we should expect nearly 30 TDs and about 12 Interceptions and a Rating of about 98.  His completion percentage should settle at 65-66% or so.  If that happens, you can win with it. The following stats demonstrate how the Panthers will be able to afford it (and re-sign Ickey) My guess is they will require about $60m per year. This is why rookies who can play are important.  It also helps us see the blueprint.  You may disagree, but this is the cruel realities of the salary cap. Robert Hunt:  Cut post June 1 and save $19m.  Who do you replace him with?  Ickey. Tershawn Wharton:  Cutting him saves nearly $15m.  We should all hope to see Aaron Hall (UDFA) make the roster and play well.  Regardless, this is a position we would likely have to address in the next draft. Trevin Moehrig:  Cutting Moehrig as the starting SS saves this team $16.5m.   Ransom will be on year 3 of a cheap rookie deal and should be more than ready to take the reins.  their styles are similar.  Furthermore, FS Wheatley (R, 4th round) will be starting. Taylor Moton:  So much depends on his knee, but I have an idea that he can play another 3 years.  extending him could save the team about $5m per year.  Cutting him outright would save the team about $21m. In the most drastic situation, we have to cut Moton and the other three players mentioned.   We would need (in all likelihood) a starting DT and RT.  It is possible that the DE would be addressed, but Wharton's production (so far) could be equaled by a rookie.  Look for a cut free agent and a 2027 draft pick here.  If you cut Moton, you save $21m, and that would be the only big hole to fill.  Having Ickey at RG gives you some depth at T, and Ickey could be the guy.  T could be pick in the 2027 draft (first round), fwiw.  It saves you $21m while costing you $5m, for example. We get younger, creating a core of Freeling, Hecht, and the RT first rounder in 2027) along with Ekownu (second contract in the $15m range, and Lewis, whose contract would be in the $16m range if not extended.)  The OL cuts (Hunt, Moton) would save $40m.  The OL would get younger and still solid with veterans at G.   By cutting Wharton (no brainer if his play stays the same) and Moehrig (good player--but we have Ransom on a rookie contract who would not be that much of a drop off--if any) in addition to Hunt and Moton, we would save over $70m in cap room. We would be able to give Bryce bag  and we would have enough to re-sign Ickey (if the knee is not too risky) to a Guard contract (probably at a discount, coming off that injury).  Furthermore, we could add a RT in the draft (or a RG if Ickey moves to RT) and that would be the only large hole to fill. Correct my logic if you see issues-- On defense, in addition to the aforementioned, Scott ($2m contract) is out, replaced by a 4th round rookie contract. CB Jackson's contract ($7.8m) expires and he is (possibly) replaced by a rookie contract.  At Edge, patrick Jones II's $10m contract expires and he is likely a reserve, and his role is absorbed by Phillips, Scourton, Princely, and possible an UDFA like Isaiah Smith or a 2027 draft pick.   These productive developmental players over the past 2 drafts will pay huge dividends.  On paper, I see the team getting much younger and possibly better while cutting nearly $100m and reallocating that money to get more production.          
    • If everything played out and that last thing happened, I probably just quit. 
×
×
  • Create New...