Question about this Coaching staff.

[Salvo]

Josh Thomas won the respect of the coaches by playing very well towards the end of last season. Yes, he had a rough quarter against Seattle (who doesn't?), but he's actually a very reliable corner whose name doesn't get called often (which is a good thing). It's good to have him back playing.

 

Mr. White is a good player with a bright future, but he's a rookie that will make rookie mistakes and we don't need him to play one-on-one for the entire game against one of the best WRs in the NFL.

 

Now, DO NOT assume that White will not see the field tomorrow. I guarantee he will get some playing time because Rivera is big on rotations (even in the secondary). We might even see Lester in there at times.

[koolkatluke]

Josh Thomas, James Dockery, and DJ Moore.

You can continue on bringing up the 47 yard TD but every DB gets burned. Thomas has been our most consistent corner thus far. In addition, Josh has made the plays for us but you refuse to acknowledge ANY of them in favor of Melvin White. That's not how it works. Thomas has earned the starting spot for a reason.

Like I said, I'm cautiously optimistic about White and don't mind seeing him in the rotation, but he hasn't earned anything yet.

 

Again I don't know what games you've been watching.

 

Nobody in our Secondary has proven or has earned a locked in starting spot.

 

When you're giving up 70% comp. rates your not playing good or even solid at the CB position.

 

Like I said I like JT but nobody in this secondary should have a job locked down. That they can be injured and get their job back just like that. Specially after the Game that White had.

 

Plain and simple.

 

[koolkatluke]

Josh Thomas won the respect of the coaches by playing very well towards the end of last season. Yes, he had a rough quarter against Seattle (who doesn't?), but he's actually a very reliable corner whose name doesn't get called often (which is a good thing). It's good to have him back playing.

 

Mr. White is a good player with a bright future, but he's a rookie that will make rookie mistakes and we don't need him to play one-on-one for the entire game against one of the best WRs in the NFL.

 

Now, DO NOT assume that White will not see the field tomorrow. I guarantee he will get some playing time because Rivera is big on rotations (even in the secondary). We might even see Lester in there at times.

 

 

1. I like JT but he has earned nothing but a roster spot.

 

When your part of a secondary giving up 70% comp. rate your job should never be safe.

 

2. What was White doing last week then when he was covering Nicks??

 

3. I think White will see the field. I just asked a question on how Playing time is earned on this team since it is not making big plays during real game time.

[Salvo]

1. I like JT but he has earned nothing but a roster spot.

 

When your part of a secondary giving up 70% comp. rate your job should never be safe.

 

2. What was White doing last week then when he was covering Nicks??

 

3. I think White will see the field. I just asked a question on how Playing time is earned on this team since it is not making big plays during real game time.

 

When did competition percentage become the sole measurement of a bad secondary? We have only given up 2 passing TDs so far (albiet, with one less game) and are in the bottom half of total passing yards per game given up. Completion percentage has more to do about the scheme we play (zone) rather than individual corner play.

 

What, in your mind, is the way to earn a roster spot? Playing consistently and earning the respect of your coaches isn't? JT earned that spot late last year by being a reliable corner for us and it carried over into this year. Despite the lousy sequence of plays against Seattle, he is worthy of being a starter (which is an overrated notion in our defense, btw).

 

Just because White had a hell of a game against an interception machine two weeks ago doesn't mean he's earned the spot just yet. Continued performance and consistency will, however.

[koolkatluke]

I've been watching the identical games you have but I'm not indulging in bandwagons based on very small sample sizes and percentages. This is precisely why fans should stick to being fans.

Duh. Our secondary gives up a 60-70% completion rate but I suppose you've overlooked how many yards we've given up AFTER the catch. We have a Zone bend-but-do-not-break defensive scheme with McDermott. This is only going to continue.

If you believe White can shutdown Fitzgerald one-on-one all game long then you're an utter idiot. You'd probably turn on him the moment he gets beat by Larry for 2 TDs (which he would because he's a rookie). Like I said, White isn't ready. So stop assuming he is because of one fudging game. You're sounding like a Gettis fanatic.

 

1. No CB on this team has a good sample size. JT only started 4-5 games last year. He is a 2nd year UDFA player. Your acting like he is a 5 to 6 year vet.

 

2. The Giants game proved we don't have to be a Bend/Break defense. The Coaching staff doesn't want to be a bend/Break defense. They want to be a domnate defense that gets 3 and outs and TO.

Have you not read or seen McDermott and Rivera talk about this defense before??

 

3. Who do you believe on this team can stop Fitz??? So that's a pretty dumb question to ask anybody to special on this team.

 

Again since your missing the point.

 

Nobody in this Secondary has earned or should be giving a locked in starting position.

 

You wont find out what anybody can do without giving them the opportunity.

 

And White played good enough to get a chance at more opportunities.

 

[koolkatluke]

When did competition percentage become the sole measurement of a bad secondary? We have only given up 2 passing TDs so far (albiet, with one less game) and are in the bottom half of total passing yards per game given up. Completion percentage has more to do about the scheme we play (zone) rather than individual corner play.

 

What, in your mind, is the way to earn a roster spot? Playing consistently and earning the respect of your coaches isn't? JT earned that spot late last year by being a reliable corner for us and it carried over into this year. Despite the lousy sequence of plays against Seattle, he is worthy of being a starter (which is an overrated notion in our defense, btw).

 

Just because White had a hell of a game against an interception machine two weeks ago doesn't mean he's earned the spot just yet. Continued performance and consistency will, however.

 

1. Yes Comp. % is due to scheme. But those Comp. % in the 1st 2 games change

 

Field position in the Seattle Game.

 

Kept drives alive in both Buffalo and Seattle game. Which kept our offense off the field and lesson our scoring opportunities.

 

Also put us in position to get players hurt having to make tackles after REc. instead of breaking up Rec.

 

Sooner or later if players are catching passes they will make plays. It also helps young QB get into rhythm and gain confidence.

 

2. Earning a spot is making play consistantly over a period of time no CB on this team has done.

 

 

3. Again he earned the right to see what he can do the next game week. Which a lot of people would agree with.

[koolkatluke]

Holy poo. I've only just realized that your IQ is Fua, and I wasted time debating with you. I'll see my way out.

 

You've added nothing to this thread but

 

"The Coaches no more " Duh Duh.....

 

"He earned a spot from giving up 70% Comp." Duh Duh Duh........

 

"White look good but he's a rookie and the 2nd year players have proven more with their multitude of playing time" Duh Duh Duh.......

 

 

You need to check your own IQ before questioning somebody else's.

 

 

[raleigh-panther]

It was very clear that Beason, sadly, was getting burned time and time after time and Rivera and the DC did nothing about it by changing personnel.

It has to be about team wins/loss not the player.

It is very clear to anyone who watches that Newton jump starts himself with his legs...so first two games, let's have him be something he isn't. It takes a helluva lot of coaching acumen to turn Newton, your best player on offense into being not relevant. We can't get those two games back.

Draft Luke who is a natural middle line backer, try and turn him into something he isn't again, giving leeway to Beason at the cost of the team.

Fua, as hungry as the NFL is for decent DTs and not one team picks him up...and this is a guy in the Panthers starting rotation.

I try so hard to give Rivera a pass, to think the team turned the corner last week, I hope and pray they did as my season tickets and drive to charlotte is more enjoyable when they win, but, I'm sorry a guy who says 'we looked at tape and we need to throw it more', well you know, not my kind of party.

I pray that I'm wrong. I'm too old for starting over with another coach.

[Salvo]

 

2. Earning a spot is making play consistantly over a period of time no CB on this team has done.

 

 

3. Again he earned the right to see what he can do the next game week. Which a lot of people would agree with.

 

I don't disagree with you on these points.

 

It should be based on consistent play over a period of time, but because the secondary is so young to begin with, we have a small sample to go off of. JT has been reliable in the handful of games he has played for us in the last year and should be given the respect of starting. However, as I had said before, being a starter on this defense is a bit overrated with how much rotation is going on.

 

Which leads me to the next point. I completely agree Mr. White has earned the right to play as much as possible tomorrow and I fully expect he will when he rotates out with either JT or Capt.

[AceBoogie]

Norman has been given more damn opportunities than anyone on this team and every time he does we learn why he was on the bench. JT has been solid. You shouldn't lose your job to injury.

[AceBoogie]

Also I don't believe we have a db capable of stopping fitz. The way you stop guys like fitz is by putting Palmer on the ground and make him force throws.

[koolkatluke]

I don't disagree with you on these points.

 

It should be based on consistent play over a period of time, but because the secondary is so young to begin with, we have a small sample to go off of. JT has been reliable in the handful of games he has played for us in the last year and should be given the respect of starting. However, as I had said before, being a starter on this defense is a bit overrated with how much rotation is going on.

 

Which leads me to the next point. I completely agree Mr. White has earned the right to play as much as possible tomorrow and I fully expect he will when he rotates out with either JT or Capt.

 

This is where we disagree.

 

I feel with such a young inexperience secondary where nobody has proven themselves. There should be a more which players is" hot" or "what have you done for me lately" attitude. Instead of whatever they are doing right now. The guy who keeps playing well keeps the job until he has built up a resume of consistant play.

[koolkatluke]

Norman has been given more damn opportunities than anyone on this team and every time he does we learn why he was on the bench. JT has been solid. You shouldn't lose your job to injury.

 

1. I disagree with JT being solid. 70% comp. rate is to many catches being made on a player if he is solid. Solid is 50 to 55% comp. rate.

 

2. JT doesn't have the resume to say he can't lose his job due to injuries. This isn't Gamble we're talking about here. A guy who proved himself over time and at 1 point team didn't want to throw at.

 

[Salvo]

This is where we disagree.

 

I feel with such a young inexperience secondary where nobody has proven themselves. There should be a more which players is" hot" or "what have you done for me lately" attitude. Instead of whatever they are doing right now. The guy who keeps playing well keeps the job until he has built up a resume of consistant play.

 

I get ya...but the problem is that UDFA rookies are very volatile. Can't always tell what they can do for you. And yes, if you put them out there, then you'll find out...but there's no reason to throw White into the fire when JT has done a consistent job for the team so far. The last thing we need is another hot rookie losing his way because of a bad game.

 

Don't start White, but blend him into the coverage. Give him a handful of snaps to spell JT or Capt and go from there.