Beason Compensation: 7th round pick

[xtheronx]

You have said it 100 times...and you have been wrong 100 times.

This ain't Seinfeld....saying it over and over won't make it the truth.

wrong about what? that's what I thought .. nice try tho - maybe next time

[MadHatter]

wrong about what? that's what I thought .. nice try tho - maybe next time

I loved me some Beason. But, he IS a player who has:

1. Coming off both shoulder and Achilles surgeries

2. Spent the past 2 years on IR

3. Looked horrible this season

4. Had already lost his starting job

That is NOT worth much on the trade market.

[MadHatter]

wrong about what? that's what I thought .. nice try tho - maybe next time

Wrong in the fact that there were teams lining up out there to give us 4th round picks for Beason...and Get spurned them all to throw his old team a freebie.

[xtheronx]

Wrong in the fact that there were teams lining up out there to give us 4th round picks for Beason...and Get spurned them all to throw his old team a freebie.

teh Huddlez at it's best .. please please please show me where I said teams were lined up lol

wow

I'm still waiting on a link to the observer article that said Beason said he wanted to be traded

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

Actually, the problem is that I do.

 

The only bullet you've got in your gun is that he should have netted a higher pick because HE'S JON $#@%ING BEASON!  THAT'S WHY!

 

Cool...except he's not.  He used to be, but he isn't that guy anymore.

 

He wasn't the player he used to be.

 

He was gonna be gone at season's end with nothing in return.

 

He wasn't good enough to start for the Panthers at middle linebacker or outside.

 

He wasn't content to ride the bench as a backup here.

 

He wanted to go somewhere where he could start again.

 

He asked to have that chance, and the team said okay.

 

Only one team had a situation that would have given him what he wanted. 

 

We traded him to that team, and got a pick higher than what anyone else was likely to offer.

 

Those are the facts.

 

You wanna debate them?  Ya gotta give me something better than "he used to be great".

 

Try this: Call up an NFL GM.  Ask him "Hey, what'll you give me for a guy that was a Pro Bowler three years ago but who's been on IR for the past two seasons and isn't playing that well this season?"  If you get a better offer than a 7th, I'll be impressed.

 

No, you still don't understand what I'm saying. Go back and read my posts and try again. I'm saying we got the bad end of the deal. Because guess what? We did. No matter how you look at it, we did. Throw out the feel good "Beason wanted it and now he's happy" and just consider two things: Jon Beason vs 7th rounder. Ask any GM in the league whether they'd rather have Jon Beason NOW, not even before the injury, or a 7th rounder. Considering those GMs might find a decent backup out of a 7th rounder once in every 5 years, I guarantee you they'd rather have Jon Beason.

 

Would they give more than a 7th for him? Maybe not, but that's not the point I'm trying to say. I'm weighing the two things, Beason on the bench/in on our 3-4 looks/even as an OLB or a 7th round pick that almost always gets cut after a year or two.

[Kelp]

No, you still don't understand what I'm saying. Go back and read my posts and try again. I'm saying we got the bad end of the deal. Because guess what? We did. No matter how you look at it, we did. Throw out the feel good "Beason wanted it and now he's happy" and just consider two things: Jon Beason vs 7th rounder. Ask any GM in the league whether they'd rather have Jon Beason NOW, not even before the injury, or a 7th rounder. Considering those GMs might find a decent backup out of a 7th rounder once in every 5 years, I guarantee you they'd rather have Jon Beason.

Would they give more than a 7th for him? Maybe not, but that's not the point I'm trying to say. I'm weighing the two things, Beason on the bench/in on our 3-4 looks/even as an OLB or a 7th round pick that almost always gets cut after a year or two.

No, you're fugging wrong and you don't want to admit defeat.

I understand that you started watching the game because of your obsession with Madden but it's a video game vs. real life.

That's not how things work, listen to your elders.

[xtheronx]

No, you still don't understand what I'm saying. Go back and read my posts and try again. I'm saying we got the bad end of the deal. Because guess what? We did. No matter how you look at it, we did. Throw out the feel good "Beason wanted it and now he's happy" and just consider two things: Jon Beason vs 7th rounder. Ask any GM in the league whether they'd rather have Jon Beason NOW, not even before the injury, or a 7th rounder. Considering those GMs might find a decent backup out of a 7th rounder once in every 5 years, I guarantee you they'd rather have Jon Beason.

Would they give more than a 7th for him? Maybe not, but that's not the point I'm trying to say. I'm weighing the two things, Beason on the bench/in on our 3-4 looks/even as an OLB or a 7th round pick that almost always gets cut after a year or two.

dude they're playing games ... this thread is over apparently .. they have no more valid points to argue .. I'm still waiting on links to articles and sh1t from them

[Seal (SmittyIsOurSavior)]

No, you're fugging wrong and you don't want to admit defeat.

I understand that you started watching the game because of your obsession with Madden but it's a video game vs. real life.

That's not how things work, listen to your elders.

 

So ironic, because I'm actually mad playing some Madden right now.

 

Regardless of what you say though, I'm not wrong. When unbiased people look at this trade, Jon Beason who is killing it for the Giants right now vs a 7th rounder that will almost surely get cut by our team, ask them who won the trade.

 

Sure, I'm glad for Beason and all, but everyone that says we got a great deal is just ill-advised and trying to be overly happy about everything this team and Gettleman does. But we didn't get a great deal. 

 

I'm not salty about him getting traded and I'm not saying we should've gotten a 3rd or even anything more than we did, I'm just saying we didn't get a great deal like people are pretending we did.

[KSpan]

dude they're playing games ... this thread is over apparently .. they have no more valid points to argue .. I'm still waiting on links to articles and sh1t from them

Here are your links.

Beason a bit delusional about Kuechly and confirms that he wants to be an MLB.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/10/from_franchise_pillar_to_trade_bait_giants_lb_jon_beason_looking_to_prove_doubters_wrong.html

Beason confirms talking trade with Carolina, says he knew he had value somewhere and they made it happen.

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-trade-for-LB-Jon-Beason/0f2fdc50-b0fa-454d-b484-1e79a289645f

And here is the Observer article I think Scot was referencing. Just echoing the other links.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/10/04/4365136/carolina-panthers-did-the-right.html#.UnY2dn23PMJ

You lose. Good day sir.

[KSpan]

So ironic, because I'm actually mad playing some Madden right now.

Regardless of what you say though, I'm not wrong. When unbiased people look at this trade, Jon Beason who is killing it for the Giants right now vs a 7th rounder that will almost surely get cut by our team, ask them who won the trade.

Sure, I'm glad for Beason and all, but everyone that says we got a great deal is just ill-advised and trying to be overly happy about everything this team and Gettleman does. But we didn't get a great deal.

I'm not salty about him getting traded and I'm not saying we should've gotten a 3rd or even anything more than we did, I'm just saying we didn't get a great deal like people are pretending we did.

And if you're saying that other teams could reasonably expect him to return to form solely after watching the Seattle and Buffalo games this year, you are deluding yourself as well. The Giants took a gamble, albeit small, and appear to have had it pay off and Carolina got *something* for an unhappy player who had become a liability in their scheme. A win-win if there ever was one because Beason was never going to play MLB in Carolina again, and that's not even counting that Beason was traded to a place whrre he could immediatrly contribute as a Mike linebacker.

[xtheronx]

Here are your links.

Beason a bit delusional about Kuechly and confirms that he wants to be an MLB.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/10/from_franchise_pillar_to_trade_bait_giants_lb_jon_beason_looking_to_prove_doubters_wrong.html

Beason confirms talking trade with Carolina, says he knew he had value somewhere and they made it happen.

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-trade-for-LB-Jon-Beason/0f2fdc50-b0fa-454d-b484-1e79a289645f

And here is the Observer article I think Scot was referencing. Just echoing the other links.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/10/04/4365136/carolina-panthers-did-the-right.html#.UnY2dn23PMJ

You lose. Good day sir.

ok .. so:

1. Either you didn't read this thread and now look like you're incompetent; or

2. You just simply can't read.

.. WHERE in any of those articles does it say Beast was a cancer in the locker room or that he walked into Riv's office after the Giants game asking to be traded?

The closest any of those articles comes to saying anything that even resembles what we have discussed thus far is where it's mentioned Beast said he knew he had talent and could benefit a team somewhere and Carolina made that happen

so you're just gonna add all that to that paragraph? hahaha - nice try

so, again - where's your link? And please do not say NJPanther

[xtheronx]

And if you're saying that other teams could reasonably expect him to return to form solely after watching the Seattle and Buffalo games this year, you are deluding yourself as well. The Giants took a gamble, albeit small, and appear to have had it pay off and Carolina got *something* for an unhappy player who had become a liability in their scheme. A win-win if there ever was one because Beason was never going to play MLB in Carolina again, and that's not even counting that Beason was traded to a place whrre he could immediatrly contribute as a Mike linebacker.

win/win?

you just admitted the Giant's gamble was "small"

so you're saying a "small" gamble on a former probowl MLB potentially in his prime for a 7th is a win/win? lol

also do you realize there likely will be occasions where we will play the Giants to advance in the playoffs or to win the wildcard?

man - people start getting nasty when they are getting run over and can't find anything else to say - feel better?

[KSpan]

 

ok .. so:

1. Either you didn't read this thread and now look like you're incompetent; or

2. You just simply can't read.


.. WHERE in any of those articles does it say Beast was a cancer in the locker room or that he walked into Riv's office after the Giants game asking to be traded?

The closest any of those articles comes to saying anything that even resembles what we have discussed thus far is where it's mentioned Beast said he knew he had talent and could benefit a team somewhere and Carolina made that happen

so you're just gonna add all that to that paragraph? hahaha - nice try

so, again - where's your link? And please do not say NJPanther

 

While I've popped in and out of the thread, no one needs to read 16 pages of posts to fulfill your specific request of providing proof that Beason requested a trade and may have been more negative than the organization lets on.  Since you continue to argue your incorrect point, let's try this again with something a bit more blunt - http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/jon-beason

 

 

The decision to trade Jon Beason began with an 8 a.m. Thursday conversation between the linebacker and Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera at Bank of America Stadium.

During their heart-to-heart, Beason made it clear he could still be viable as a starter even though the Panthers had opted to replace him with Chase Blackburn.

 

By early evening, a deal to move Beason to the winless New York Giants, pending a physical to be taken on Friday in New Jersey, for a late-round draft pick was well in the works.

Rivera would not say whether Beason asked to be traded, but acknowledged the three-time Pro Bowler broached the topic of playing somewhere else. Knowing how proud Beason is, how badly he wants to remain a starter . . . well, you read between the lines.

 

Through it all, Rivera said Beason remained the ultimate professional. As upset as he may have been about things that were being written about him the past few weeks, that never was a factor in the support he gave to the coaching staff and his players -- even the one that replaced him.

 

 

Per Rivera, Beason was completely professional, as fans of his entire career would expect.  I made no assertion about him being a cancer, only that he requested the trade and that if he can admit that he's an MLB at heart, then casual fans need to realize it as well.  However, if you re-read some of the comments in my first link, one could reasonably conclude that Beason harbored some negativity during his final weeks here (http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/10/from_franchise_pillar_to_trade_bait_giants_lb_jon_beason_looking_to_prove_doubters_wrong.html)

 

 

win/win?

you just admitted the Giant's gamble was "small"

so you're saying a "small" gamble on a former probowl MLB potentially in his prime for a 7th is a win/win? lol

also do you realize there likely will be occasions where we will play the Giants to advance in the playoffs or to win the wildcard?

man - people start getting nasty when they are getting run over and can't find anything else to say - feel better?

 

This second point is subjective and I'm not the one getting nasty - you have simply been proven wrong on Beason asking to be traded, you disagree with those who view Beason's value differently than you, and now are the one calling names.  Yes, getting anything in return for a player who is no longer in an organization's plans and who after 2 full games back following consecutive season-ending injuries *may* only be a shell of their former self is a win.  Yes, getting a player with a glaring recent injury history and having them appear to be healthy and elevate your defense is a big win.  Thus, win-win.

[xtheronx]

so no one knows if Beason asked to be traded and he was not a locker room problem according to that article ..

.. that's exactly why this trade was not a win/win

.. as I've said throughout this thread - I would've kept Beason rather than trade him for a 7th - he's worth more than that to me on the bench and as a back up - he's not washed up (or a "shell of his former self") and was not a locker room cancer

it's that simple - people that defend this trade to this extent are homers

I admit occasionally I've been accused of being a homer - but not here - do not fool yourself into believing G didn't give his former team a discount - because he did

Beason would've gotten his next year in FA