Interesting points about our history

[OneBadCat]

People here are still insisting Matt Moore was a good player? Please take a look at his 2010 and Miami numbers. He had the starting job in the bag and blew it by throwing really bad interceptions on a consistemt basis. He looked great with no pressure, but when he had the chance to do something meaningful he wilted.

Moore is a good QB. He is one of the highest paid back ups for a reason. Drafting Clausen and trashing Moore was one of the biggest mistakes Fox and Hurney ever made. You can't tell me that Matt Moore wasn't better than Delhomme in 08. That 08 team was stacked and it's one weakness was Jake Delhomme. That offense was as conservative as it gets and if wasn't for our monster running game or Steve Smith absolutely being amazing Delhomme would have looked terrible. You put Cam on that team and they are unbeatable, and a championship caliber team with a QB that was somewhat reasonable and could push the ball down field.

 

Moore wasn't never given his fair chance, and rarely do guys like him ever do. Think about it. The guy was never given any faith from a team. He was always the back up working for a spot. Or he was warming a seat for a high draft choice. If he was drafted in maybe the 3rd round or sooner I believe he'd be starting somewhere today. He was never given the freedom to make mistakes because it would cost him his job. Marty Hurney actually believed Clausen was better. JC might actually be the worst QB I've ever seen. If he couldn't roll out and throw 5 yard curl routes he would literally have 0 passing yards in the NFL.

 

 

I love Jake for 03-05. i knew someone would say I was hating He was good because he once had a zip and touch to put the ball where it wasn't supposed to go. I admit he was very sound and had some amazing performances in his early years. But he had limited talent and Steve spoiled him as a QB. He always played better when he had to carry the team without Steve. But Steve was so damn good it made Jake a lazy QB. When he got hurt he was done, he couldn't play his way anymore.

[Chimera]

And sorry for the double post but...

What year are you talking about?

Reread my post. The only year he had 2 good WRs in their prime. (2003)

I really, really do like Delhomme. I really do. But come on. He was not a top level QB. He was an average QB who was really damn clutch, that is it. In general, that time period was weak as far as QBs go and had been since the drop off it saw around the mid to late 90s with Young, Elway and Aikman on their way out and Favre becoming the extremely inconsistent QB everyone knew him as.

You seem to want to go by stats in judging Jake, but ignore them while judging Brady. Brady didn't put up huge numbers either back then.

Jake threw a lot in 2004 because we were horrible the first half of that year... constantly playing from behind. After whatever divine intervention happened at halftime vs. the Niners that year, our running game reemerged and we went back to the play action game (and Moose went nuts).

Jake was mostly a game manager. But from 2003-2005, you know you didn't fear a shoot out.

[KendrickPanther]

I think you are trying to simplify a really complex history. When you talk about the Fox era you have to talk about the injuries. We lost Steve in 2004 and finished 1 game out of the playoffs. In 2005 we lost Moose to FA and like 5 running backs to injury and still managed a good year. In 2006 we had the makings of a good team, we lost 2 starters on our Oline and Jake injured his thumb, Christ Weinke started and lost 2 games and we finished 8-8. In 2007 we started the season 3-2 lost Jake Delhomme and next thing you know Vinny Testeverde is leading our franchise. 2008 we had a good year and after that our personnel deteriorated after several bad drafts and contracts.

 

So basically John Fox had a window for success and it closed without much to show for it. We always had good teams and coaching but not good enough to overcome key injuries. We were loaded at some positions paper thin in others. And the injuries always hit the paper thin spots.

 

This is kind of fun to look at, our 2006 offensive line: Jordan Gross, Geoff Hangartner, Evan Mathis, Justin Hartwig, Mike Wahle, Travelle Wharton, Will Montgomery. All of these guys went on to start for playoff teams or make pro bowls. Then we add Ryan Kalil a year later. Just compare those players to what we have now, it will give you a picture of why we struggle to run the ball.

 

We had coaches like Mike McCoy, Dan Henning, and Jack Del Rio. We really squandered a golden age when we had an abundance of talent and coaching.

[AviationMX]

You lost me at Delhomme

 

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