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I THINK the Panthers will seek trade for new DT


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I doubt a trade is possible. We have no 1st round pick and we have little cap space.

Well it doesn't have to be a first round player, Kemo wasn't.

We just need a big DT who occupies more than 1 blocker and pushed the pile. That essentially was exactly what Kemo was.

We don't need Brayton at DT, guess why? Cause he's not a DT, yet alone one that possess any of the characteristics I listed above.

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Well it doesn't have to be a first round player, Kemo wasn't.

We just need a big DT who occupies more than 1 blocker and pushed the pile. That essentially was exactly what Kemo was.

We don't need Brayton at DT, guess why? Cause he's not a DT, yet alone one that possess any of the characteristics I listed above.

You make it sound so simple. No team is gonna let a massive DT go for less then a 1st round pick. 2 gap players dont come around all that often and thats why they are payed so much. Much of the second tier DTs are 1 gap players not 2 gap like Kemo is. Brayton would not be a good run stopping DT cause of his size and that was proven in Oakland. He can come in as a 1 gap on passing downs but that about as far as it goes.

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You make it sound so simple. No team is gonna let a massive DT go for less then a 1st round pick. 2 gap players dont come around all that often and thats why they are payed so much. Much of the second tier DTs are 1 gap players not 2 gap like Kemo is. Brayton would not be a good run stopping DT cause of his size and that was proven in Oakland. He can come in as a 1 gap on passing downs but that about as far as it goes.

I never said acquiring one would be easy, but one can be had for less than a 1st rounder.

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Brayton is a situational DT at best in Trgo's scheme (and Fox's for that matter). You gotta have some beef.

There is speculation however that beef may not be best suited for what they are trying to do this season and if so Tyler may be well suited for Meeks dline that we have yet to see.

No sense in having a melt down.... There is nothing you can do about injuries and nothing positive will come out of this if everyone thinks it's utter doom from heree on out. I like the optimism here about using what we have and maybe acquiring some depth instead of a starter. Use what we have. Let the staff mold what Meeks wants. Rotate the hell out of them and play some small ball defense when needed and make it work.

It's called coaching. The guy who wins because he has the best talent every year is not necessarily the best coach. We need good coaches and coaches that prove they can survive these type injuries/losses. We are never going to be immune to them.

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CJ, Brayton, Lewis, Peppers.....that isn't the kind of front 4 imo you can rely on for most of your pressure w/o someone taking a big step. Maybe CJ can do that....I think Brayton would be serviceable at DT but nothing more. Regardless, they at least need to sign a vet b/c there is no way Lewis and Brayton will make it 16 games each. imo.

Since you seem verry opinionated this come as no suprise... CJ can be a Rucker type DE he had 6 sacks in spot duty he can get ten as a starter with Brown rotating in..

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Ok, me and my friend, who likes the Raiders, came up with a trade deal. I know that it most likely won't happen, but it sounded good to us.

A 3rd and Keydrick Vincent for Terdell Sands.

We have Duke who can take Vincent's place and Keith Gray to be a backup. It'll help us out alot at DT too. They need OL help and Vincent will help them.

So, what do you think? :D

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Ok, me and my friend, who likes the Raiders, came up with a trade deal. I know that it most likely won't happen, but it sounded good to us.

A 3rd and Keydrick Vincent for Terdell Sands.

We have Duke who can take Vincent's place and Keith Gray to be a backup. It'll help us out alot at DT too. They need OL help and Vincent will help them.

So, what do you think? :D

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Vincent was one of our best olineman before he went down.

I don't think we mess with the continuity of the line if we don't have to.

Raiders need o-line help, we need d-line help. Yeah i know all 5 of our guys were good and solid last year on the o-line, but DT is the weakest on the team. And we have a younger player in Duke that can fill Vincent's spot. Plus he'll be building experience. Then Sands would make DT alot better than it is now.

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