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What Was Marty Hurney Thinking?


What on earth was Hurney thinking?

Well, let's think about that question for a moment...  His job is to put the best available players possible on the field, and surround them with solid role players and a capable bench, thus giving the team the best possible chance to compete on a week in, week out basis...

So what goes into a draft selection?

First and foremost (and what many draftniks, both amature and professional (yes, I'm pointing at you Melvin Kiper)) it's absolutely imperative that you remember one rule:  Need is a terrible evaluator.  Take a moment and read that again... Need is a terrible evaluator.  What does that mean exactly?  It's simply that if you draft, based on your team's specific needs, you end up ignoring better players, and typically reaching just to fill that specific position with someone who either may have been available later, or may be a marginal player...  Again, draft the best football players available for your team, and let you coaching staff figure out how to best get them on the field...  Then fill the holes with role players via free agency...  Not every position needs an all pro...  Analysts inconsistently grade drafts based on whether or not specific needs were met or addressed...  This is only part of a team's offseason storyline, and just because a team doesn't get that 'needed' position, it's often ignored that they added solid or above prospects that can upgrade underproducing veterans, or push them into better production...  Drafts should be graded on an evaluation of the talent selected...

Second, you have to trust your scouts and advisors...  This is their job...  It's what they do 8 or 10 or 12 hours a day, 5 or 6 or 7 days a week...  While you and I are sitting at work, answering phones, resolving issues, attending mindless meetings, these are individuals who are out watching football, evaluating players and taking notes...  The draft process for an NFL franchise is a never ending cycle, and one that each GM (including Hurney) live daily...  It's imperative that you trust your team's big board, and take the players that you feel offer you the best talent available...  It's also imperative that you not cave to pressure from analysts, media or fans...  Just because someone is selected that you've never heard of (as a fan) doesn't mean it isn't a solid talent...  There are thousands of players participating at the collegiate level, most of which we have never heard of...  The knee jerk reaction when someone is selected that we are unfamiliar with is to reject the selection...  Instead, take more time to specifically research that player, and make a more educated fan judgement...

Third, keep in mind that the draft is an exercise in failure...  If you 'hit' on 50% of your selections, you've have a fantastic draft...  Hitting on a third of your picks (2 players that come in and start, or heavily contribute), you have had an average and respectable draft...  Nothing stellar, nothing horrible...  Anything more is gravy, anything less is potential disaster...

Finally, trust your instincts...  We as fans are allowed to let our emotion dictate what we believe the team should do...  But emotion is a dangerous thing...  Emotion led the Saints to trade an entire draft for Ricky Williams...  Emotion will get you fired...  Trust your instincts, and not your heart...

So that is what's going through the minds of Hurney, and the other GM's participating in this draft...

We've got a couple good football players so far in this draft, and as a fan I'm happy about that...  Certainly, I don't know what kind of careers they will have, but I'm excited to see how they can make our team better, and how they will be used...


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The best post I've read all draft. Man I miss your draft preview you use to put together.
Nance Old Man!!!! Where have you been?
Good write-up. People seem to get pissed when the real draft doesn't fit their mock draft with players falling to them and drafting strictly on need rather than team BPA boards. Anyone who thinks our first two picks were bad should join Mel Kiper in the loser couch he sits in everyday with his bad hair.

What on earth is Hurney thinking?

Well, let's think about that question for a moment... His job is to put the best available players possible on the field, and surround them with solid role players and a capable bench, thus giving the team the best possible chance to compete on a week in, week out basis...

So what goes into a draft selection?

First and foremost (and what many draftniks, both amature and professional (yes, I'm pointing at you Melvin Kiper)) it's absolutely imperative that you remember one rule: Need is a terrible evaluator. Take a moment and read that again... Need is a terrible evaluator. What does that mean exactly? It's simply that if you draft, based on your team's specific needs, you end up ignoring better players, and typically reaching just to fill that specific position with someone who either may have been available later, or may be a marginal player... Again, draft the best football players available for your team, and let you coaching staff figure out how to best get them on the field... Then fill the holes with role players via free agency... Not every position needs an all pro... Analysts inconsistently grade drafts based on whether or not specific needs were met or addressed... This is only part of a team's offseason storyline, and just because a team doesn't get that 'needed' position, it's often ignored that they added solid or above prospects that can upgrade underproducing veterans, or push them into better production... Drafts should be graded on an evaluation of the talent selected...

Second, you have to trust your scouts and advisors... This is their job... It's what they do 8 or 10 or 12 hours a day, 5 or 6 or 7 days a week... While you and I are sitting at work, answering phones, resolving issues, attending mindless meetings, these are individuals who are out watching football, evaluating players and taking notes... The draft process for an NFL franchise is a never ending cycle, and one that each GM (including Hurney) live daily... It's imperative that you trust your team's big board, and take the players that you feel offer you the best talent available... It's also imperative that you not cave to pressure from analysts, media or fans... Just because someone is selected that you've never heard of (as a fan) doesn't mean it isn't a solid talent... There are thousands of players participating at the collegiate level, most of which we have never heard of... The knee jerk reaction when someone is selected that we are unfamiliar with is to reject the selection... Instead, take more time to specifically research that player, and make a more educated fan judgement...

Third, keep in mind that the draft is an exercise in failure... If you 'hit' on 50% of your selections, you've have a fantastic draft... Hitting on a third of your picks (2 players that come in and start, or heavily contribute), you have had an average and respectable draft... Nothing stellar, nothing horrible... Anything more is gravy, anything less is potential disaster...

Finally, trust your instincts... We as fans are allowed to let our emotion dictate what we believe the team should do... But emotion is a dangerous thing... Emotion led the Saints to trade an entire draft for Ricky Williams... Emotion will get you fired... Trust your instincts, and not your heart...

So that is what's going through the minds of Hurney, and the other GM's participating in this draft...

We've got a couple good football players so far in this draft, and as a fan I'm happy about that... Certainly, I don't know what kind of careers they will have, but I'm excited to see how they can make our team better, and how they will be used...


Great levell headed post as usual..........good to hear from you!
NANCE!

Awesome post.
great write up... although, this will largely go ignored by our incredible talent evaluators on this forum who are currently lobbying for jobs in the Panthers FO..
I love me some Aaron.
Well put, Nance. I'd pie ya if I could
*Sticky*...............should be required reading.
When your hurney hate combines, NANCE RETURNS.
My God, finally someone who gets it.
Love adams and norman. Everthing else is up in the air and remains to be seen. I can never understand ignoring need consistantly. Dont get me wrong, none of our picks say bust to me(outside alexander). Alexander has alot to prove. Overall im ok with our draft.
Looks to me the bengals,bucs, and steelers are all addressing need tho.

Love adams and norman. Everthing else is up in the air and remains to be seen. I can never understand ignoring need consistantly. Dont get me wrong, none of our picks say bust to me(outside alexander). Alexander has alot to prove. Overall im ok with our draft.


you disagree with our FO on their team needs? cool.
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you disagree with our FO on their team needs? cool.


And you rage against popular public opinion. Also cool.

And you rage against popular public opinion. Also cool.


wrong. seems to me most people are raving over this draft and that is currently the popular public opinion.. which I actually agree with, not rage against..
You're supposed to rage against the machine. amirite?
You know what is sad about this post?


That Nance only have had the time to post 700 posts... I miss the good old days ;(

Great post.
awesome post Nance! Agree 110%. If you keep trying to draft for needs, you eventually end up with a much less talented team, imho.

The best post I've read all draft. Man I miss your draft preview you use to put together.


I loved doing those things! Wish I still had time to do them now... It was my intention to knock one together for this draft, I just ran out of time...

Nance Old Man!!!! Where have you been?


Hey brother! I've been around... With all the hostility around here these days, I spend most of my time in lurk mode...

Good write-up. People seem to get pissed when the real draft doesn't fit their mock draft with players falling to them and drafting strictly on need rather than team BPA boards. Anyone who thinks our first two picks were bad should join Mel Kiper in the loser couch he sits in everyday with his bad hair.


Thank you, sir! =) It's easy for us as fans to let the our emotion for the team we love cloud our rationality and what we genuinely feel is best for the team...

Great levell headed post as usual..........good to hear from you!


Good to see you too! How have you been??

NANCE!

Awesome post.


Hugs hun!

great write up... although, this will largely go ignored by our incredible talent evaluators on this forum who are currently lobbying for jobs in the Panthers FO..


I've been lobbying for one for 15 years or so! They just don't care... ;-)

I love me some Aaron.


Scrum is my mancrush!

How you doin', brother??

Well put, Nance. I'd pie ya if I could


*fistbump* instead

When your hurney hate combines, NANCE RETURNS.


Yes, draft time is like my 'Bat Signal' heh

My God, finally someone who gets it.


I think most get it, it's just so easy to get lost in the excitement, and let personal feelings cloud the black and white nature of the business...
I don't know who you are really since I wasn't around for the old huddle.

But I love you and I love your post.

I don't know who you are really since I wasn't around for the old huddle.

But I love you and I love your post.


Thank you, and nice to meet you! =)
Nice write up and great analysis but the fact is 3 winning seasons under Hurney. Thats a c*nt hair above Cleveland. Marty is a reporter not a GM...
Hey Nance...Good to hear from you again and great post!!!