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Yeah, I think counting on a rookie 4th rounder to start would be a big mistake. Bring in a vet stopgap and if the rookie is ahead of schedule, great. But don't force it.

Full and complete disclosure Family cat got real sick over the last 48 hours, emergency vet visit from last night is looking like lung cancer (which is really bad for cats as it usually means it metastasized from elsewhere), appointment with our decades long vet in the morning You guys have seen me arguing when I'm not in a really dark place, while I still believe what I've been saying tonight, yea, it was just the wrong night to get into any kind of disagreement with me right now. Sorry

Bingo I like Ransom a lot but I’d rather not go into the season with a rookie being the last line of defense. Found this online and now I might be ok with the rook being the last line lol. As for Justin Simmons: • 59.9 PFF grade • 53.8 run defense grade, 60.8 coverage grade • 19.8% missed tackle rate He’s more so just a name at this stage. The tackling issues really scare me. https://x.com/TheJetPress/status/1898842639996514705

No sense getting this worked up before training camp geez. There will be plenty to argue about then.

Most of his career has been spent with Denver. Last year with the Falcons. Played 16 games. 58 tackles, 32 solo, 26 assist, 9 passes defended, 2 interceptions. 6'2", but is 31 years old. Did not show up in PFF top 32 safeties. I just gave myself a crash course, so I thought I would share.

Good grief LOL

Who?

How am I all over the place? I'm still saying that. I'm saying that Chark at his best and T-Mac right now, on the same team right now for the 2025 season, T-Mac would be ahead of him on the depth chart Week 1. Because in the same way everyone is saying, "T-Mac hasn't played a snap in the NFL yet", the very same is true to say, "nothing Chark did in his past matters moving forward" His peak was a 1,008 yard season where he was the only decent WR on a terrible team. He didn't put up the 1k yard season because he was a great WR, it was because of how bad the rest of them on the team were. His stats aren't the same as his ability, and his ability was never all that good to begin with. Hell, most of this board agrees that T-Mac is our #1 right now, even if Thielen is Bryce's #1 option early in the saeson just because of the comfort level there, he's still just a slot safety valve and T-Mac is our #1. If you put peak Chark on the roster RIGHT NOW (even without T-Mac)... is anyone even putting him over Thielen, XL, or Coker going into this season? I'm honestly not sure many of us would consider him as such, because even at his best, he was just a JAG. So if the same people who are okay with T-Mac being ahead of those guys right now, wouldn't put Chark above them, how can you in the same breath say Chark was better than T-Mac already is now?

Dude... you're just all over the place. You're the one who said T-Mac is better right now than Chark was at his best.

When I say "average NFL WR", for me, that's comparing him to all WRs in the league during that season/span of time. He was of course better than those #4-6 WR's that can't even get on the field, but talent/ability wise, he probably wasn't any better than a #3 WR for most NFL teams, he just happened to be on one of the teams in 2019 with even worse WR's so he put up solid stats for the season. Here's more or less how I'm looking at it. Take T-Mac right now and Chark at his best, put them on every NFL team at this very moment, and where would they fall on the depth chart come Week 1 (basically, the teams that don't put the rookies at #1 to "make them earn it in camp" don't count, it's projecting week 1 depth charts). T-Mac would be at worst the #2 WR on the majority of teams this season, (hell, he's likely our #1 at this very moment right now already), peak Chark would not. Yes, T-Mac still has to prove himself at this level, but his current ability, even as a rookie who hasn't played a snap yet, would have him above Chark on any team's week 1 depth chart. Because again, you can't just fall back on "well Chark had a 1,000 yard season" and use that as the reason for having him above T-Mac. As he didn't have that 1k yards because he was a beast, it was because he was the only halfway decent receiving option on a bad team that was always losing and passing the ball (the Jags had the 7th worst scoring differential that season).

We clearly need to add a veteran stopgap at safety one way or the other.

On Panther's Wire too. No idea, just found it and trying to share. https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/panthers/2025/06/15/nfl-free-agency-rumors-panthers-eagles-justin-simmons/84219881007/

According to some random guy on Twitter claiming it's from some bloody at ESPN but offering no proof of that?

yay?

I mean, you said yourself that he was an average NFL WR. How do you define "solid"? You're super excited about T-Mac. I get it. I wasn't opposed to drafting him myself. Hell, I was happy for you when we drafted him. But damn man...

https://x.com/thomaswrrld/status/1934358640972173476?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

Well that's part of where the disconnect is then, you think Chark was a "solid NFL player" I couldn't disagree more, he's someone who had one solid NFL season and then was at best a JAG the rest of his career, I wouldn't call that a "solid NFL player" If he was a #3 WR and put up the stats he did outside of that 1 season, then sure, he's a "solid NFL player" but he put up those numbers as the #1 WR in 3 of his 4 seasons that he had meaningful roles and the #2 in a high powered offense the 4th. That's not good and not what I'd call a "solid NFL player"

Everything always makes sense in hindsight. Hell, I've seen guys who were touted by everyone as slam dunk "safest player in the draft" type prospects bust massively. Remember Aaron Curry? Robert Gallery? I'm just never going to say that a prospect is definitely a better NFL player than a solid NFL player. Better as a prospect? Sure, you can always make those arguments. But ultimately it comes down to what you do on Sundays and what you did on Saturdays just isn't relevant when you're talking about who's the better NFL player.

And that's totally fair to say, but I think it also shows you guys are conflating what I'm saying with thinking I'm saying something like, "T-Mac will 100% have a better NFL career than Chark had" which is a completely different statement and one I'd agree, you can't really say about any NFL player before they've ever taken a snap. Because what I'm saying, is that T-Mac's actual ability and skills right now, are at a higher level than Chark's ever were, it's a completely different statement that is independent of what his NFL output will be. Look at it this way, without even knowing what the rest of Chark's career turned out to be, would anyone seriously say they'd take Chark after the 2019 season over today's T-Mac if they somehow were in a draft and we were deciding between the two? As even after that season, his potential was never what T-Mac's is right now. Even with those other prospects, I'm sure some of them before their NFL career started, still had more ability and physical talent than Chark had, because again, this is so much less about T-Mac and so much more about Chark. A bad coach, system, QB, injuries, etc, that derail a WR's career no matter how good they may have been and is much more of the reason they were a bust than their own abilities. Chark was a tall WR with little WR speed, he was a deep ball threat and wasn't even particularly great at it, he was not that good of an actual WR. If the Jags had another above average WR in 2019, then Chark doesn't get his 1k season that I think people are getting too hung up on in thinking he was some great player in this league.

I've just seen enough highly touted prospects who pretty much everyone was high on end up busting to assume anything.

Maybe, but a player can also bust for a lot of reasons. And I'm not about to go look up the stats of all the 1st round WR busts, but I'd be surprised if they had the sustained output and success in college that T-Mac had. Those early WR busts are usually guys who had one breakout season and then were highly drafted because of physical potential, not already built out ability. I'm not even saying T-Mac is 100% going to have a better career than Chark (although I obviously think he will). I'm just saying that right now, his skill level and ability is better than Chark's ever was, and I don't understand how anyone is arguing against that, not because of T-Mac, but because of who Chark himself was. If you want to take the argument that you can't say ANY player who hasn't played a down yet can't be considered better than someone who has, then so be it (even though I'd say that's a dumb stance anyways). At his peak ability, Chark was more like a #3 WR than anything else, he was the definition of a league average WR. If you don't think a Top 10 selected WR with his tape is better than that just because they haven't played in the NFL yet, then you're just stuck on the "he hasn't played a down yet" idea and can't evaluate them as players and abilities.

And you would've probably said the same thing about a lot of highly drafted WRs who busted.

dude.......... You are way to emotional here

This. It’s a poo take. There have been countless WR put up big numbers and never done a GD thing in the NFL. We’ve drafted some of them.