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PFF has it's uses for certain position groups but it shouldn't be seen as gospel. Sometimes you just have to look at what you're seeing with your own two eyes.

Also, this post is EXACTLY what I wanted to move on from Bryce this offseason and sign Jameis. Because he'd be slinging the ball all over the field and it would expedite the growth of all our young pass catchers, which to me, regardless of our record, would have made for a "winning" season. We all want our long term franchise QB, but if you can't get that, expediting the improvement of the rest of your roster is a solid consolation prize given the state of our franchise.

You are correct that context matters. Let's look at the timing of those six (I accidentally counted one of Etienne's previously) runs of 10+ 11-yd run | Q2 10:43 (0 - 17) 14-yd run | Q2 9:49 (0 - 17) 25-yd run | Q2 1:47 (7 - 17) 53-yd run | Q3 14:53 (13 - 17) 43-yd run | Q4 9:09 (20 - 17) 16-yd run | Q4 4:31 (27 - 24) Q1 the offense basically walked onto the field and then immediately off thanks to Bryce's turnovers, but that's the only quarter that Dowdle didn't rip off a 10+ yard run. I think that's also where folks are basing most of their frustration... because Q1 was straight cheeks. By the half though, it was 10 - 17 with the Panthers set to get the ball to start the half. That's not a situation to get desperate and start flinging it everywhere. Though not exactly related to the topic, I do have to give Evero credit where credit is due. There were halftime adjustments made that resulted in the Dolphins not being able to mindlessly abuse the defense over the middle. That's not even mentioning how they completely stuffed the Miami run game in the second half as well.

It’s in a quoted reply I think I got confused. Looking at it now I think I took it out of context and apologize. I stand corrrected.

Very fair, but also something I have a "I don't give a poo" attitude about, because I'm so over Bryce and as I've said, this year for me isn't about wins and losses, but improving as a team, which includes individual players getting better. T-Mac, XL, Coker, Horn Jr, Sanders, and Evans aren't going to get better as pass catchers if they're just out there blocking all the time because we're too afraid of Bryce sucking and costing us games. If we lose games because Bryce sucks and throws INT's (or fumbles without being touched lol), but all of our pass catching options got a couple extra targets to help expedite their improvement, it's a trade off I'd take 100 times out of 100. As THAT would then help our future as a franchise, as when we get a real life NFL level QB in here next year, he's getting to throw to players who spent this year growing as players, not having wasted a year of improvement because we're too afraid to let the noodle arm throw the ball.

If it were possible to have negative swag somehow Bryce Young could achieve that.

Where in that post did I compare Bryce to Brees?

You overlook the risk of putting the ball in Bryce’s hands going by the day to that point while chewing up yard on the ground. He could have lost it with another fugup. I wouldn’t want to throw unless I had to.

Trigger warning: Bryce Young and David Moore

I don’t think you are looking close forceful gs to like. I mean there were some things that happened in the game. Granted it is hard to assess when is against weak competition. Overall I agree. Wins can hide watts and looking closer at what those were and what needs to be done to eliminate them is gratifying for hardcore analytical perfectionist types.

Yeah, see this is where logic gets thrown out the window. Bryce Young rightfully catching heat isn’t in the same universe as Cam Newton catching whatever he got. It just makes no sense. Bryce Young has been the definition of a bad pick. You can hope all you want. Claiming what he gets is haters being haters is like claiming people were unfair to Dwayne Jarrett lol

I guess I'm the odd man out. I did not care for him at all. Yuck!

And if that's the case, then you shouldn't be throwing it 30 times. But if you do, give your only legitimate WR threat more than 8 of those targets. Because again, this isn't about T-Mac, it's about the overall play calling. If we came out and just went very run heavy, with the play design and calling keeping the defense on their heels so we're constantly ripping of 5+ yard carries and sustaining long drives, then I'd be 100% okay with it and not upset with "my guy" not having a big game. But we didn't do that, we kept running rather predictable plays, with bland play design that wasn't scheming players open or creating open running lanes to constantly get chunk yards in the run game. It was Rico breaking off a few big plays, partially due to his breaking of tackles, that got him the 200+ yards, NOT Canales' play design and play calling. Do you see the differentiation I'm talking about there?

Not the same. Honestly it is disrespectful to even try and make this comparison. People hated him even after we started winning and competing for and in the playoffs. Cam Newton was a driving force in changing the culture of the team for the better. He was also Rookie of the Year and League MVP. He also didn't get any of these extremely ticky tacky roughing the passer calls that QB's are getting today. And there were times where other players were trying to literally take him out of games. It's desperation to keep trying to drag him into this conversation. It's also cringe. Our starting QB isn't Mr. Irrelevant making league minimum. He's the 4th highest paid player on the roster.

post game box score analyzing doesn't tell the full or accurate story though. He had 1 target in the entire second half, in a game that we were losing into the 4th Quarter. Take names or how many targets any other individual player got out of it. In what world does a team with such a talent gap between their top WR and the rest of their pass catching options make for smart play calling when that player gets 1 target in the 2nd half of a game they were losing for the majority of that time? And again, I said I was wrong to bring up T-Mac in the OP, because it wasn't even about him. His lack of 2nd half targets are just part of my issue with the play calling, it still felt very predictable and bland throughout the entire game, and THAT is my issue with Canales and where I've seen zero improvement from him.

I would argue the only way the Panthers can win a game is to have 200 yards rushing

Well, you may as well because it is done by then. Laugh at your dumbass self. That’s what I do when I do something stupid.

For the Panthers to win they have to get points early they can't get started in the 4th quarter

They sure will. Criticizing their little darling will get them going for sure.

Was this after he tried to call a TO when we didn't have any? Maybe he was laughing about that?

The most targets any player that wasn't TMac got was 3 (XL, Dowdle). I don't think it's reasonable to demand that he have gotten an additional 4 - 6 targets during a game where an RB went for over 200yds rushing, especially when seven of those 23 carries were for 10+. One of those carries went for over 50+, another 40+, and another 20+. Canales' play calling wasn't the best, but it is developing as well. That's more than fair to criticize, but there's much better options to choose from than not feeding TMac in a game that resulted in a dub (with 200+ yards gained on the ground). I think that rather than half the fanbase sticking their heads in the ground to avoid issues that there are some fans with their heads up their ass because all they seem to see is poo.

Panthers have needed some sort of unusual occurrence to happen to find a win so if Dak has a once in a career type implosion or Renfrow randomly goes for 175 and 3TDs off Renfrow routes…..then maybe we can win. Lining up in a relatively normal game of football and winning doesn’t seem to be something we can really do. We have largely been dominated outside of weirdness happening

In a sense, but I'd say it's more like we won because the Dolphins were just a worse team and because Evero made the adjustments needed to keep the game close enough to have a chance. Which, again, is my point and the same one I was making after the Falcons game. Winning in spite of your mistakes because the other team made worse mistakes, is not something that gets me excited moving forward, it just makes me more concerned, particularly when this coaching staff has already shown that they don't fix their mistakes moving forward week to week. And, as I've said, I'm just done "enjoying wins" because we got a win, despite not actually looking good while doing so. I want to get into the playoffs again, I want to contend for SB's. To me, showing improvement and looking good, but still losing in the end, would make me happier and more excited for our future than backing into wins against bad teams in spite of our own issues. Not a single thing about this win gives me hope about our long term future, but numerous things happened throughout the game that give me cause for concern. And that's not me saying I want losses for draft positioning, I'd still rather win those games, but if it's look good and lose or look bad and win, it's an easy decision for me to look good but lose. This season was never meant to be about winning games, it was about showing improvement, which is 100% something you can do in losses, just as you can show regression in wins. I don't care about winning or losing this year, I care about improving as a team, record aside. To me, this is a season where showing improvement is a win, showing regression (or the same mistakes) is a loss, the actual win or loss is irrelevant to me because we're not a contending team right now, that's when wins and losses matter.

The propensity for turning the ball over without the arm talent. We wish Bryce Young had Jameis's arm.