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Said Bryce is part of the wins and plays a key position. Not the same as saying he's the key to the wins. But also not denying he plays a role in them because...well, he did. Even if you limit his contributions to the game winning drives in the 4th quarter, those still count. And yes, he's improved. but saying that doesn't equate to saying he's good enough to put the franchise label on him. It's just a simple acknowledgement that he's better than he used to be (to what degree is debatable). As to his initial expectations, I'll just say stats aren't the only thing I don't care about. What he is matters way more than what he was expected to be. And what is he? He's what you referenced, a mid-tier quarterback. Not the "worst in the league" or "worst ever" as some claim. That's just hyperbole. Lots of teams have those. Very few teams have elite ones. And I wouldn't bet on next year's draft having a supply of those either. And again, stats. We used to have a number of folks who bandied about some of Delhomme's stats, Newton's stats, etc. But lets look at a few of those... What metric do you prefer? Yards, perhaps? Well, if those are key then Jared Goff, Sam Darnold and Bo Nix are all doing better than Baker Mayfield right now. The second best quarterback in the league? Dak Prescott. And Young? Well, he's outpacing CJ Stroud, Lamar Jackson, Tua Tagavailoa and even Aaron Rodgers. Prefer touchdowns? Cool. On that front, Jared Goff is tied for third in the league with Drake Maye, leading Rodgers, Mayfield. Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen among others. Bryce is 15th in the league here, just a single score shy of Rodgers, Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones and Josh Allen. Ahead of Tagavailoa, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, and Jackson. Interceptions? Holy hell, Bryce has fewer interceptions than Sam Darnold, Trevor Lawrence and, again... Josh Allen. Does that mean I can go out and post on X that Bryce has better ball security than Allen? But wait, are some of these stats...misleading? Seems like they are. Weird

It's how we ended up with Brian Burns and not Greg Little in the 1st. Dan Snyder overruled his entire staff and took Dwayne Haskins RIP. If Burns had been the selection like many expected, Hurney had already said he was taking Little at 16. That would have brought his 1st round success rate down a few pegs. Woof!

Factually of course but pretty much a done deal especially since some of the tiebreakers don't go our way.

If you are using PFR then you should be able to easily the the dividing league average line.....where Bryce is above and Trevor is below it. It's a big blank space that says league average when you are sorting by bad throw %. You don't really want to go backwards. Bryce was #1 in bad throw % in 2023 Bryce was #1 in bad throw % in 2024 (technically 2 but #1 was Anthony Richardson and he didn't finish out the season) in 2023, 2024, 2025.....Bryce is above league average all 3 seasons in bad throw % and Trevor is below all 3 seasons. Bryce stans need to find something else than thinking Trevor Lawrence somehow makes Bryce Young not bad. It's not working. And no one, even Clemson fans, really want to be in here defending the forever disappointing Trevor Lawrence.

Factually incorrect, we can lose to the saints and if we run the table the last 3 we win the division

What's correct at this point isnt super relevant as they are both 9-3 one of them will be the 5 seed they also play each other. Honestly after watching several full Seattle games they are so conservative I think we will compete.

This board must have way more Clemson fans than I give it credit for, the amount of folks that watch all the Trevor Lawrence games is way higher than I would have guessed. #All In! Go Tigers! Jaguars are also 6-1 this season with Trevor's best weapon the field. Which all of us Trevor watchers know isn't BTJ given we watch all his games.

Tied now, also either Seattle or LA will be the 5 so we will have an idea if its a game we can compete in.

For fug sake man, can you read? Where did I criticize bryce and where did I make excuses for TL? goddamn and bryce is in a way better situation. Better oline, better rbs, better wrs. What in the holy fug are you watching?

Who is Freddie Luvvu?

yeah, but this is just some weird technical argument being randomly pulled for Bryce Young. No one in real time was wanting to make sure Philly Brown and Mike Remmers were probably credited. They were called weak links that we overcame and still succeeded with on that magical run. this bad technical defense had you saying Rex Grossman deserved the credit for taking the Bears to the Super Bowl when we all know the world was amazed they pulled off such a feat with a bad QB. Bryce Young does play a key position on the team, and it is amazing the Panthers have been able to win what they have despite such weak QB play. it hard to win WITH Bryce Young playing a key role on this team. Panthers deserve credit for pulling that off. It's not something people should want to do going forward because lady luck can only do so much and come and goes.

Defenses adapted again got smaller/faster its why power running is so much more effective and explosive than it was back then. The pendulum swings hard one way and back.

I think just the fact that he is not with ANY team this year says a lot. I mean there are some desperate teams out there and no one has brought him in. So yeah, I think you are right about there being something more to the story.

3 back to back 300+ yd games with a 8-2 td-int isn't "potential" to you as a first year starter? If Bryce Young did that, he would be getting non stopped praised and handed an extension. Howell showed more in his first year starting than Bryce has whole whole career.

If you want use arcane analytics 25 in accuracy #27 in EPA/att (-0.03) #29 in completion rate (65%) #30 in TD to INT ratio (1.4) #34 in TD rate (3%) Those are Trevor numbers Again you will find anything to criticize Bryce and make those same excuses for Trevor. If you actually watch him play you would know the jags have won in spite of him basically every game. It laughable you think Bryce is in a better situation.

There has to be more to the story. Something just doesn't add up here.

You are right about him having a huge arm.

Washington under Snyder had nothing but bad situations.

Where are you getting your numbers? According to pro-football-reference, Youngs bad throws number is 17.5%. Caleb Williams for comparison is at 22.5% and Stroud is at 16.3%. So pretty much the same as Stroud and considerably better than Williams. As far as Lawrence goes, yes he is better at 15.6% but last year he was at 17.5% and the year before that he was at 18.8%. The same or worse than the "top in bad throws" Bryce. Given all of that, how can you claim Bryce is at the top and Trevor is below average. And I must say I find it ironic that I can comment on Bryces' lack of receiver talent in 24 and 23 and you say I am just using that as an excuse, yet you excuse Trevors' play with "The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year." So which is it - does the talent surrounding a QB matter or not?

I mean, ups and downs are to be expected for a 23 year old first year starter. But he showed huge potential all season and has a huge arm. All I'm saying is all these castoffs and terrible 2nd year QBs continue to get chance after chance, while Sam Howell has proven he can throw in this league and doesn't even get an opportunity to start on another team after a decent year as a first year starter.

I don't know what his status is next year. I know he got better coaching from somebody other than Matt Rhule after he left us, but if I remember correctly his playoff performance last season was... less than stellar.

Andy Reid couldn't wait to get rid of Alex Smith (win every season KC Smith) and his checkdown, not making the throws downfield self. the goal isn't to technically log a winning season. It's to craft a team that can be the best in the NFL (without catching a fluke season to make it happen). KC was never going to be the best team in the NFL with Alex Smith (even if they won a Super Bowl off luck)

I'm not a glazer, and I don't think he's the 2nd coming of PM, I think he was in a very bad situation in Washington behind an oline as bad or worse than Vegas' this year. He was under pressure constantly. Like David Carr's rookie year in Houston pressure. It's hard to really judge a guy under those circumstances. I think he has the tools to be a QB in the NFL and he could work in the system that DC likes to run. At worst, he's an improvement over Dalton. At best, we find someone who can push for the starting role or take it and get some stability at the position. If he doesn't work out, we move on. There's nothing wrong with taking a look at the guy.