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Trinidad is a winner. 2 D-2 championships before going to Ole Miss. One of the things that I really like about him, outside of his good QB play

Yeah, I will also say, one play in particular really impressed me when he ran probably 20+ yards back, and I think he reversed field twice, but when he started running back towards the LOS he changed his stride to keep his shoulders squared to the LOS and still was running fast enough to outrun the rushers. It wasn’t even that he outran them that impressed me, it was the wherewithal and body control to change your gait mid-play, even at the expense of a full sprint, so that you were prepared to throw the ball when the opportunity came. And I’ll have to see more of him to compare like throwing distance-type arm strength, but velocity he passed with flying colors. He was zipping some absolute lasers out there, and I think, after what we’ve seen the last three years with Bryce, to me, that is much more important than being able to throw 70 yards downfield (although I love if they can do that as well lol).

I wouldn't call it a hyperfocus, they factor into eval. All part of a bigger picture.

And he will leave LSU as soon as an NFL team comes calling again. Would be funny as hell if it were this off season and he bolts before coaching one game for LSU!

I mean, Brees was a sub 6' guy too(although they listed him as 6 foot). It is not a worry if you are an elite player. Even Flutie Flakes was able to succeed at the NFL level at his height. All QB's still need throwing lanes and different QB's play the game in a way that maximizes their abilities so they can be successful. All these sub-6 QB's we are talking about have had more NFL success that easily 80+% of 6-3 or better NFL QB's. That's why I keep beating this horse. It isn't about measurables, it's about abilities. That extends well beyond the QB position. Xavier Legette has elite abilities and measurables. Yet a slight little midget with no where near the athleticism is an infinitely better WR(McConkey). Jonathan Mingo is way more athletic than Puka Nacua. How is that working out? Never hyperfocus on measurables. It's a small part of a much bigger picture.

His legs looked limited in school to me. Good enough at that level but it never looked NFL level. All the guys you mentioned made Bryce look slow and limited. What propped him up was other non-NFL level guys on the field. Absolutely on the 2nd part. That's becaude when he bails he doesn't have to ability to make it work more often. Lots of times this year and past teams let him scramble because they obviously didn't see it as a serious threat. Hell Payton was allowed to run because he was so slow and took off so infrequently. Bryce isn't that bad but he is closer to that than to Murray.

This. Its not tennessee bad, but the Ole Miss offense is a very hard one to correlate to nfl.

Crazy Old Al and his overhead projector knew years ago.

I do think his below average arm strength is an issue because his footwork is still fuged up too often. He isn't one of these guys that can arm throw his way out of trouble. He doesn't have a true noodle arm but it is in the bottom quarter of the NFL. I do agree that his confidence and field reading ability are much larger issues.

I'd say the height issue is a problem here, but overplayed in the greater context. If a guy is 6'0 but a stud, then why not, but absolutely stay away from anything once you get into the 5' range. That's where you get into legitimate physical limitation territory. One thing guys like BY/Kyler/Russ run into- you want a guy that's able to fully survey the field at all levels in the pocket, and they can't, have to modify the traditional style to do so. They can make runs/have good teams really help prop them, but when it comes time to put the team on their back in the pocket, it's rather difficult.

Hard to tell in that offense. It’s a one read and go scheme, you aren’t making progressions. Same offense that gave us Corral (and Dart)

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/ncaa/lane-kiffin-pockets-major-bonus-after-ole-miss-cfp-win-over-georgia-11295783 The fact he got LSU to pay him bonuses for Ole Miss winning games is so bananas. LSU really is an insanely stupid school.

There is an advantage to a player having the ability to extend plays with their feet to allow guys to get open. Bryce had that in droves and to an extent he still does. I think the biggest knock is that he doesn't have great ability to threaten with his feet, however. McNabb could do that, Wilson could do that, Lamar is insanely dangerous, Murray can do that, etc, etc. But, there is also a fine line between extending plays to throw downfield and getting yourself in an even more difficult spot. Bryce tends to do the latter too frequently. The lack of serious scrambling ability(he isn't inept here, it's just a lower tier ability) hamstrings his scrambling around to get guys open. They don't have to worry about him gashing them for big yardage because he isn't an elite athlete. He is average, at best.

Historically, he has struggled against(only including sub 50 yd games): Buffalo(1 Game): 6 Targets, 3 Rec, 20 Yds, 1 TD Indianapolis(1 Game): 9 Targets, 5 Rec, 46 Yds Kansas City(1 Game): 4 Targets, 2 Rec, 10 Yds Miami(1 Game): 7 Targets, 4 Rec, 47 Yds, 1 TD Pittsburgh(1 Game): 5 Targets, 3 Rec, 40 Yds Tampa(7 Games): 49 Targets(5.57/GM), 25 Rec(3.6/GM), 273 Yds(39.0/GM), 0 TD

Well we are about to see how much of an ass hat Kiffen really is, apparently all of those assistants are now officially under contract and they are supposed to report to Baton Rouge this weekend to start hosting transfer portal players. Ole Miss may not have a coaching staff against Miami, on top of that he got 500 grand since Ole Miss won last night while he was watching the LSU women’s basketball game

That's why I said I agree the other stuff matter more. If that doesn't exist it's not even worth looking at height. It does limit play tho. Deal killer? Not with good physical traits and skills. I never got Bryce's playmaker ability from school film. It always looked school level at best to me. I don't watch more school ball so I only care about NFL level and he just didn't look more than a gut eho peaked in school. That sounds like a sound take moving forward.

This was the first time I’ve seen him play. Very impressive guy. Does he play well within structure as well? You can’t live on out of structure play in the NFL.

But they exist in that space precisely because they were the outliers with big arms and other elite traits(especially athletically). I would never look past a sub 6 foot QB with a similar profile to those guys. That's basically what I mean. My list of prospects is never going to auto delete based on stature. It's definitely a reason to take a more in depth look to make sure they are going to translate. Bryce fooled me with his playmaking ability. I thought it was going to translate well, ignored all his throwing mechanics issues and gave more credit to his abilities than the superstar team around him. I am not going to do that again.

I agree but the 1 and a half guys that have fit is a small hit percentage. I agree the other stuff matters more. If Murray wasn't a dud between the ears it would be 2 and not 1 in that category. It's deffinatly not as high as ability, tools and skills. Yeah really weak arm is a huge red flag. Paired with poor footwork should be a hell no.

Hate the saints and all but wish the man a full recovery. I don’t know anything about the specifics but feel like this could have ended with a much worse outcome for him.

What? Every throw further than 5 yards down field is lofted. He has good ball placement down field but he can only throw deep into certain coverages because of a huge lack of arm strength. He cannot zip the ball down field because he does not have the needed arm strength for NFL football

Arm strength isn’t the issue he has shown ability to make the tight window throws, but not seeing the field is likely the main culprit

He made a bad decision but he's a bad guy. I'm pulling hard for ole miss to win the whole thing and him being fired within a few years

I don't put them high on my list of teams I want to see win but the storyline of them winning a title without him would be epic. Especially if he(hopefully) whiffs repeatedly on it at LSU.

It's 1a and 1b with ability to see in the pocket and arm strength. Bryce is a smart guy and would probably be very very good without those limitations but unfortunately his too biggest struggles are things that cannot be fixed.