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When we drafted Bryce....no one was arguing that was his game. It is Dave's. And he has drafted a roster post Bryce that fits it. I still think Bryce is sort of the misplaced character in the present day build of the Panthers. Think he naturally fits a spread them out game and nickel and dime them. Not the chunk play vertical game on the perimeter game that is the Dave tree. I still think Morgan is building something more along the lines of his 2003 era team.....and the best fit at QB is a downfield gambler (which is also what Dave Canales did at Tampa and Pete did at Seattle).

Couple of other things that I remember even though I never rewatched the game: Play after the cotchery catch (because yes it was a fuging catch) was the strip sack fumble 6. Can’t remember which broncos defender left early/ jumped offside on the missed field goal but it wasn’t called. Aqib Talib (seriously fug that guy forever) getting beat by Philly brown so bad that he grabbed his face mask and yanked it like he was trying to break his neck. We got the penalty for it, but honestly he should have been thrown out of the game. Can’t remember which drive but I remember ginn running out of bounds when he seemingly had space to gain another 5-10 yards on a drive where we didn’t score. Kony Ealy would have likely been the Super Bowl MVP had we won which sounds absurd to say since he basically disappeared from the face of the earth after that game

Don't give a squirt of piss

He has Morgan on sort of an island with a lot of Fitterer's baggage. He can dump Morgan and give DC one final hail mary attempt. That's why I don't like the current setup. Because that new GM won't be all in with Dave in that.

There are zero indications that Tepper has learned patience. He is running 2 professional sports teams and patience is not a trademark of anything he does. Tepper was ready to move on from Bryce Young last season after 2 games. Injury altered that. the least shocking thing ever would be for Tepper to fire Dean Smith at the conclusion of this year w/ FC if this miss the postseason and Dan Morgan at the conclusion of this year if the WRs don't pan out this year.

For all of Boston's AOR success Tom Stoltz is a criminally underrated guitarist and contributor to the rock pantheon

I really appreciate Bill explaining his methodology here because that gives interested parties a chance to try and recreate the results themselves. I believe that it's safe to assume that despite emphasis being placed on WRs that Chuba Hubbard is one of the Panthers' top-5 weapons. Considering targets, yardage, receptions, etc... Adam Thielen and Xavier Legette are also on the list. Jalen Coker's success might have snuck him in there as well. I can't draw a conclusion on who #5 is though. I've narrowed it down to Diontae Johnson, David Moore, Ja'Tavion Sanders, and possibly Rico Dowdle if they're taking into account his production for the Cowboys in 2024.

Unfortunately business is business especially when there are large sums of money on the table. Goes the same for player and ownership. Does not make it right either way. Why would he not want to play for the niners? Closer to home with a team that has a chance of delivering a SB trophy.

I don’t know if it’s him bad mouthing his former situation in public or my pettiness but either way I’m not a fan. Dude was on playoff teams getting paid millions to entertain. I’m not better that because and I am better than that. You don’t bad mouth your former employer in public. Esp after getting over paid and two, poor little Russian baby didn’t get the playing spot he wanted. Rod had him exactly where is was supposed to be. He had a mean lip check and did defend our players. Specifically the devils game around Christmas where is our Haula on his ass. Cool. Thank you. But don’t talk poo about us. Because it make you look like Haula. “need to get as far away as possible”. fug off. Didn’t see Burnsy bad mouthing and his play dropped off too. sorry, but Orlov doesn’t get a pass from me. See you twice a year…

I don't really care about your post at all. I just saw the direction of the discussion and this snippet from an article I read earlier in the day was a good spot to put non-Panthers info. I mostly don't care about the players personal lives. That's off the field/personal poo. Not really any of my business. I also don't know him personally so what would be the point of congratulating him outside basically attempting to draw attention to myself like so many in the social media/internet realm.

Everything goes in waves. As defenses geared up more to stop the passing game they've become more vulnerable to the run not to mention the added benefit that road grading run blockers don't command the crazy money that the dancing bear elite pass protectors do on the OL.

Finally got to finish listening to Mina and Dan talk about the resurgence of the importance of the run in today's game. A lot of what they discussed lines up with what the Panthers seem to be attempting to build under Canales + Evero. Teams are running the football more than they have in nearly a decade. The best offenses in the league last year (BAL, BUF, DET, GB) were also the top rushing teams. The old assumption that you could pass your way to being a top-5 offense without a consistent ground game isn't holding up anymore. Offenses are getting under center more and leaning into physicality and time of possession. That shift is happening in direct response to defenses going lighter in personnel to stop spread and RPO-heavy attacks. 12 personnel usage is at its highest since 2007. If you have TEs who can block and catch, defenses can't easily match personnel. Baltimore's Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely were used as examples, and the Bengals (who have mostly used 11 personnel with Burrow at the helm) are also leaning into the model with the as pass catching TE (Gesicki) and a blocking TE (Sample). Condensed formations (tight splits, bunch alignments, etc) are now used more than ever. These sets create traffic, allow WRs to block more effectively, and force DBs to tackle. The goal isn't spacing; it's leverage, angles, and chaos. Defenses are trying to respond with more blitzes from the secondary and by rotating coverages post-snap. The big nickel is ever increasing in their importance on the field. Linemen and linebackers are trading in size and strength for speed and athleticism. This makes them more susceptible to the run. They're also taking greater risks on earlier downs. Fourth-down aggressiveness hit 20% league-wide last year, the highest on record. It's more than just going for it though, it's a shift in offensive philosophy. Teams now call second and third down differently when they know they'll use all four downs. That makes checkdowns, 3yd gains, etc meaningful building blocks instead of perceived failures. Hearing all of that and looking at the Panthers, it's difficult to not do a double take. The Panthers have an RB room built for the grind. Chuba is the workhorse, Dowdle is a more than capable back-up that can also start, and Etienne provides further depth. If JB's year off puts him in place to come back and contribute to the roster after Dowdle's deal expires, look out! The emphasis on time of possession and intelligent decision making fits Bryce's playstyle as well as the returning OL. With defenses getting lighter, having a mauling offensive line is going to make life even easier for the RBs which in turn will make the QBs job simpler. On the defensive side of things, the team got bigger in the trenches and brought in one of the best tackling run-stopping DBs in the league in Tre'von Moehrig. That's a wise investment when looking at the division and realizing that they're going to have to defend against Alvin Kamara, Bucky Irvin, Bijan Robinson, and Tyler Allegeier twice a year. Regarding 12 personnel, Tremble is more of a blocker but is a capable pass catcher. Sanders is more of a pass catcher but might be more effective in the run game with his improved physique. Mitchell Evans is another TE that can both block and catch. While they might not have an elite guy in the room yet, having versatile tight ends has been the shift vs. just having an elite pass-catching TE. The team didn't run as much 12 sets as the rest of the league, but when considering the injuries that took place it (and that TE2 was a rookie) it makes sense. It'll be interesting to see if they lean more into 12 this season. Condensed formations focus on creating match ups on the perimeter rather than working the space inside created via spread offenses. This plays into Bryce's game as well as the receiving corps that the team is working with. TMac and XL provide shot plays on the perimeter which, if successful, will lead to more space inside for Bryce to work with. While he's shown that he's willing to go over the middle despite his size, there is also the reality of congestion over the middle being more difficult for him to deal with unless he buys time with his legs to let things clear up. With Evero's love of the safety position and the addition of Moehrig, expect him to rotate down as the big nickel and occasional three safety looks. Evero wants DBs that can tackle and sent Jaycee on some well-timed corner blitzes last season. With the DL being retooled, he might be able to leverage Wallace/Jewell to provide pressure from the LB position as well by blitzing them on early downs. I don't think I will ever recover from Jimmy Clausen's checkdowns, but it's good to hear that those are no longer the drive killers that they used to be. Taking the checkdown on 2nd & 7 to get to 3rd & 5 to get to 4th & 2 is becoming increasingly viable (though not exactly dependable).

Straight to IR (thumb) designated to return

"Fanboy syndrome" for wishing a guy well due to a new baby? Come on, Dude. This conversation isn't even really about the team holding anybody back, and it was not even ostensibly about on-field play, injuries or even skills, but since some took it there, as an aside, it morphed into a side discussion about the FO being forthright in negotiations. If you're not going to extend my contract for whatever reasons, don't lead me to believe that you are. It's that simple.

Well FWIW I have us winning it all

If we are going to obsess over ex-Panthers, here is a good one from the ESPN poll of NFL execs and personnel guys, this is the outside top 10 list. Just like CMC, he is who we thought he was. It's amazing that so many people get fanboy syndrome for these guys assuming it is the team holding them back. That's the minority of the cases in our history. It's basically poker "bad beat" syndrome. How soon we forget the reverse, all the guys we let go that tanked hard afterward.

I think the leash will be short, regardless, if he has another "comfortably" losing season. By that I mean, not really ever a threat to be 9-7. People forget that Tepper's track record is getting losing HC's out of here ASAP. The chances of him stomaching more than 3 losing seasons is almost zero.

I don't think that Tepper would put Canales on a short leash much less a super short one for 2026, in regards to QB that is. I get the feeling that Tepper is learning that patience is necessary in this game and that allowing DC to finally get his guy and put him on a super short leash that very year makes little sense and is a recipe for continued wheel spinning. He'd at least wait until 2027, with 2028 being the cutoff. This is not to say that if the entire team looks like sh¡t this season that Canales and Morgan won't be canned or on a short leash in 2026. That could be considered "reasonable."

Some of you guys already know this. I know you know, but you're trying to make CMC out to be a problem child. That's far from the truth. Why can't you say something like,"Good for Christian," or just don't say anything if you hate him that bad? We're supposed to be a smart fan base, right...?

It's not an "eternity," and plenty of NFL guys don't buy a spread like that unless they're trying to settle down roots. McCaffrey is not a dumb guy. Actually, the entire family seems smart if not practical. He wasn't out there flossing it up, he was planning to retire in Charlotte based upon what the FO was telling him and the vibes they were putting out.

he didnt buy the house in 2020 he wasnt traded in 2022 whats the wrong part of my post?

I think if DC wins 5ish games this season he probably will get a chance to get his guy in but will be on a super short leash in 2026, which all things considered is pretty reasonable

No. Just no.

he bought the house in 2020 and was traded in 2022. Thats an eternity in the nfl

That's reasonable if that's how you decide to look at it. Me? He seemed like a cool enough guy (just like other NFLers), so it's nice to hear about them succeeding in life beyond football.