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You have to score at least 1 point before you start talking trash. Sorry, I don't make the rules around here.

I still believe in him. Keep your head up.

The issue with that "lightning in a bottle" is that's too close to Dilfer/Foles/Delhomme/etc for a top 5-10 QB contract. It's crippling to the roster eventually at that price tag. It's a pricier QB purgatory. Bryce's ceiling was supposed to be a Brees type guy. Sees the field extremely well, makes quick decisions with the ball and analyzes the situation pre-snap at an elite level. None of this has transpired at all. Not to mention, his physical ceiling is far closer to a non-athletic Doug Flutie or poor man's Colt McCoy. That is not a long term NFL QB.

Sure, but again, the Vikings still put up 350+ yards of offense while putting up that 48. They were in the offensive dreamworld. See some of that 2015 Panthers game. That's when an O can really have some fun. I'm not saying TJ is great. But the Vikings actually have a TE. AT doesn't really have a place in that offense. He can't play on the outside. He isn't actually a slot WR (too slow and no YAC).

Yeah that 48 points hung was because of the defense. Wentz was more a game manager last week. TJ Hockenson hasn't done much this season either. I watched that game and the Vikings suffocated the Bengals. The defense caused 5 turnovers, one being a pick 6. I was speaking to the macrocosm not the anomaly from last week. We agree on AT’s age.

Absolutely this. And often the "great" #2 is only mediocre elsewhere. It's worth noting a good #1 also elevates those players. And imo TMac drawing coverage is going to have that effect.

to me, Trevor and CJ (what we are projecting with this post) are what people want to claim Bryce is. If you put enough talent around Trevor and CJ......you can win and compete. And I think you can. It just will be inconsistent. But w/ great talent can a Trevor or CJ get hot and make some nice runs? I think so. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle. I don't think Bryce projects as that. His ceiling of play is just way too different than those types. They have tools he doesn't and their good days can just be better.

I think this is true. He is still showing flashes, but his consistency is shot imo. I hope they get him OL help.

It can be both things at once though. Young would still be very limited on a loaded team.

The worry with CJ is that he is Trevor Lawrence. That's basically the worst case NFL QB scenario. Supreme talent and flashes enough to get a top 8 QB contract but never really truly improves to much more than a slightly above average NFL starter with an elite price tag. So, while we definitely got the lesser of the two QB's, it is possible we don't end up as badly, depending on Stroud's ultimate career arc. Bryce will never see that kind of contract, so we ducked that, at least.

I think with CJ you likely are looking at variant of the sophomore slump. It didn't come week 1 of year 2. Showed itself late last year and continues on this year. CJ has the talent to play in this league. He already proved that. The first real test after you can prove you got what it takes.....is can you overcome NFL teams really getting to know you (which to me is what a sophomore slump is).

Youth feels like the future for us on D for sure. Well, and on offense. But at least we have David Moore making an entire side of the field unusable on offense.

I think the sample size is pretty small to say much of anything. I saw enough to say that I would rather gives some more snaps to them. DJ Wonnum and Pat Jones II aren't going to be franchise players. They are depth/role players.

Pretty much every fan of Stroud and the Panthers acknowledges his trajectory has been down for a bit. Despite this, we have to massively subset his career and ignore HIS accomplishments for the comparison to be even roughly equal between he and Bryce. That's how much better his career has been to date. We don't yet know for sure how his career will end but for any of you digging him I'd ask this: Would you rather have his accomplishments to date or Bryce's?

I hope so. We have a good history of edge rushers but we've been in a drought for awhile.

I agree. He was probably content on the horse farm and being with his family. Now that he has money in the bank, motivation is not what it should be. I don't hold it against him. He should go and live the life he wants.

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This is the NFL. Being a great college football doesn't mean anything once you enter the pros. The Golden Calf of Bristol was a great college player. Arguable THE GOAT. Armanti Edwards was a great college player. Given Bryce's limitations, you need a crazy good roster around him and scheme. And that's not what you are looking for in a NFL QB. Sam has always been Sam. At every stop. You do some some mild growth that just comes with time/starts but Sam is forever Sam. A well built team can get the better version which has ALWAYS existed to appear at times. We never even attempted the Baker thing in reality. We never gave him a shot to actually be our QB. We set that up to fail by design (which is what we do here) but yeah, the organization does stink. Which is my MAIN gripe. See my avatar. The square peg/round whole experiment that is Bryce is yet another example of it. You have to invest way too much around Bryce for him to be just okay. Just look at us to date and we still can't get average offense. He doesn't have NFL tools. Nor the added bonus of the on field leadership/energy. We are wasting time. And when you waste time, you waste the good years of DB, Horn, etc. The offensive roster has been good enough around him under Canales.....to be better than we have been. Bryce is what holds this thing back because you can't insert him into basic NFL offenses. He brings those down. And we got 2 examples of it under 2 coaches. Great NFL prospects go about making whatever exists better. That ain't BY. And it never has been. That wasn't him at Bama. Pointless seasons is my #1 pet peeve of Carolina. I'll keep repeating, this has always been clearly Matt Rhule's seasons 3 but for Bryce. We already know the answer and yet chose to waste this season. And Matt Rhule had his defenders still clinging to him going into that year 3 too.

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Morgan may have picked two good ones. High motors and very athletic. Wait a bit to see the full potential of these two guys together. After a full season of NFL experience and hitting the gym, they will make a difference.

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