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I was wondering...

Nice work, Verge. I agree with the general conclusion. Don't think either guy will make it.

Oh, for sure. But that's where coaching comes into play. It was the perfect storm. You had a young, super confident, super talented QB paired with an extremely limited OC. That's a recipe for disaster. That limited OC is gonna lean into that all world talent and burn the candle at both ends with a blowtorch. UNC went through this with Drake Maye. Early in his starting stint he was doing a lot of the Cam stuff. The crazy cartwheeling Superman dives and lowering his shoulder powering through DBs, etc. A not great college staff reeled that in but Shula was just like yeah, this is fine. I really wish he had been able to leverage Cam's MVP season into a HC offer to save us from ourselves. We would've had our pick of the litter of excellent OC candidates groveling to come to Carolina.

Ron allowed it too. It wasn't until 2018 until they asked him to change it up. So infuriating

INB4 Horn lines up at NT and DB is in press coverage on Mike Evans.

Gotta give it up to our organization for surrounding our only elite tier QB with the tools to fail slowly and painfully. But, Cam deserves some blame too. He has as much as admitted it. He relished the Superman role to the point that he felt to need to be the guy that did all of it. He sacrificed his body all too often and never fixed bad mechanics that added undue strain on his body. It was a sad thing in the end. In like a Lion, out like a Lamb.

The Shula saddling was criminal. Cam showed under Norv that he was fully capable of completing a higher percentage of passes in an offense that featured a lot more short to intermediate passes. Shula's entire offense was essentially "hey Cam, go be Superman". Cam was our leading rusher quite often and the entire passing game revolved around deep shots to subpar receivers. I mean, that's about the lowest percentage pass attempts in football. Panthers North learned from our mistakes with Cam and developed Allen and the offense around him like we should have with Cam instead of just relying on insane physical talent. They need Allen to be Superman here and there when Cam being Superman was our base offense. If we had replaced Chud with an OC like Norv I honestly think Cam is still our QB playing at an All-Pro level. I mean, just look at how hard Shula flopped at South Carolina with another extremely physically talented QB prospect. That guy absolutely needed Cam Newton to carry his ass. I don't think it was those hits that did in Cam's throwing shoulder as much as it was all those years of carrying Mike Shula's useless ass.

I can't wait for this team to play him on an opponent's team. That's going to be a fun game...if he can even crack a starting lineup again after this run

Cam definitely has the stronger case IMO but I think his career was cut too short for him to get into the HOF.

That's why it will WORK this sunday

The market for him will either be extremely small or nonexistent but we should at least try. I would imagine the price would be something around a conditional 6th or 7th rounder. Even if we end up cutting him, just let him move on somewhere else so he can develop and let us move on with our franchise future not being held hostage by a bust first round QB.

Well. Clearly, it failed to legendary levels

I know You know, it isn’t just the 4th qtr how many times has the offense scored more than 20 points …and they are very poor in all offensive categories

It's called strategery, try it some time.

Here’s another i didn’t know until watching some of the film reviews they had Derek Brown dropping back inpass coverage on the penalty he received by hitting Shough in what world do you have your best interior lineman doing that

Yeah. MVP, 1 loss season and a ring? That's a wrap. If only we had some hindsight(especially Cam), maybe we protect him more, HE protects himself more and we are talking about the end of a lengthy, HOF career in Carolina.

3 years in so the bad players are still his guys at this point...

In order to get in, Cam has to actually retire. I don't believe he's done that yet and has no intentions of doing so any time soon waiting for an opportunity for a comeback.

That would prob end up in a 1:1 trade for Tua hahaha

My guess is he won't be back next year but this also looks like a ton of blown assignments or dudes just having no clue where to be or what's going on. That's on coaching too, don't get me wrong, but it's also on having bad players.

Evero runs his scheme. Personel or opponents be damned. I'm so tired of it, it works when you have a great pass rush but if his dumbass hasn't figured out our guys can't rush the passer then he probably can't figure out how to tie his shoes

Superb Owl

Yea, I think for sure if Cam wins it in 2015, they would’ve found a way to get him in the hall. Guess the same could be said for Ryan. Sucks, because that 2017 year, I believe if they could’ve just got by the saints in the playoffs, we would’ve gone to the Super Bowl again. Cam carried that squad on his back like no other. If only one of Kaylin or Funchess catches their gimme TDs

I think had either Ryan or Cam gotten their ring, it might be a different discussion. That looks large on their legacies.

He apparently was hurt and tried to play through it a person could argue he helped or hurt the team by doing that…there are coaches and medical personnel that could’ve,,should’ve helped with the decision