Joe Bear

People still think he's top-5, top-10 for some reason. He has the most weapons of any QB in the NFL bar none, and he still throws interceptions left and right when it matters.

Jared Goff was never a tier above Jake Delhomme. Just gonna throw that out there. Goff is the most overrated player in the NFL.

His build will always make that a concern in some way, but he has to have this added element of his game to be successful. I was surprised to see he finished second in the league among QBs in rushing touchdowns, but it's a good surprise.

Bryce Young tied for second in the NFL this season in rushing touchdowns among quarterbacks. That’s a statistic that speaks to his much-needed increased willingness to run the ball. It’s an important part of what made Young more successful this year.

This is a fair point. I'm glad Canales is also adaptable in his decision-making. Miles Sanders convinced him to run the ball on first and goal against Atlanta, and it resulted in the walk-off TD. If it's a pass, sure, there's every chance Young ends up running it in -- but there's also the greater possibility of a holding penalty or a turnover. It wasn't a smart call at first, but his relenting was wise and it showed a quality few NFL coaches have: the willingness to consider their first opinion isn't the gospel.

We’ve gone from very bad and sad to fairly good and happy.

Other than his most ardent detractors -- of which you've admitted to being one -- there's an understanding among everyone that Young's done enough to deserve Year 3 as the starter and to go from there. If he keeps an upward trajectory, trading him would be stupid. If he doesn't, he'll play you into his replacement. That's just too logical to not explore first, even if it means people have to hate-watch for longer than they wanted.

I wasn't using them to back up a claim of him even being good, just top 20-top 25.

He ain't garbage, but he's definitely not the once-in-a-generation player people thought he was.

How'd I know you'd be back in my notifications?

Trevor Lawrence's QB rating is only slightly better, and his rating as a rookie was even worse than Young's. Not saying he's an All-Pro, but I bet you don't think Young's 9/10 as good as him, either.

I'm sorry, man. We agree on a lot of stuff, but saying he sucked against good defenses is a factually inaccurate statement.

I don't even think the dude's that great, but these are some truly retarded takes from people who hate their favorite team with a passion.

I really don't see how you can say Young sucks because of his 2023 stats, while conveniently ignoring his 2024 stats after he was benched -- then act like you're dunking on someone? That's so weird.

Nice goalpost moving. Panthers could use you on their ops crew. Someone mentioned his second-half results, you brought up his career rating. Not terribly relevant to the conversation, considering he didn't have a sub-80 rating this season, did he? Why isn't that highlighted? Take the bag off.

Cameron Jordan apologized to fans after the Saints lost to the Panthers in Charlotte. It was so embarrassing, they responded by finishing behind the Panthers in the standings.

Graphs? I saw a lot of Next-Gen Passing Charts Week 1, 2 and 3. Wonder why I don't see as many now.

I saw Young put his team in a position to win (and does so if Legette could catch) against Philadelphia's defense. It appears they statistically have the best defense in the NFL. Are they a poor defense?

Wanna bet?

That's funny.

No point shaving. Darnold held onto the ball way too long and he admitted it. Rams need some credit for playing as well as they did, though.

I appreciate your offer of an olive branch and I respect your opinions as well. With him, though, he has to have the last word in every discussion and has to be the smartest person in the room. I’m closer to the 100th person to point it out than the first. When he isn’t, he starts projecting so much he may as well be an IMAX theatre. I have no issue with dropping a subject, but the most condescending, thin-skinned hypocrite on here needs to get checked if he’s gonna go around calling others thin-skinned or hypocritical. It stemmed from me finding some condescending, poor opinions he posted about Darnold (could do the same thing for Mayfield or Young with a five-second Google search) and he got really, really triggered about it, and that persists after several weeks. No one else I spotlighted even cared.

Hold on a minute — you started quoting me incessantly when you got mad I found your ignorant old posts… but I’m the thin-skinned one? Projecting, much?

I’m seriously curious how he sucked in the second half of the season. That’s some epic copium.

That’s always been Darnold’s weakness. He doesn’t take a checkdown for 5 yards, because of the minute chance he could get 30 yards. So he holds onto the ball and it bit him big-time against a defense that wouldn’t allow anything. So, @frankw, since we’ve apparently decided it’s cool to quote me all the time, here’s one back for ya: If you’re this upset over me pointing out your “bust” takes in 2021 over Darnold weeks ago, somehow attributing that to me being a Darnold fan despite three weeks of my proving to you the purpose and result of such an exercise… You’d take Bryce Young over Justin Herbert then, right? Because Justin Herbert put up big numbers in the regular season and folded historically in the Wild Card round. Since, @frankw, that apparently makes a player trash — or, at least worthy of quoting me every negative play — @frankw, tell us you’d rather have Bryce Young than Justin Herbert. Because that’s following the logic you’ve applied to this discussion, @frankw.