CPcavedweller

When used correctly, CMC was more than a running back. He was also our best wide receiver.

This is the NFL. Talent wins. If you want to keep fighting for .500, you try for a playoff push.

Correct. Not here to talk about making the playoffs, or whether we should even try. I think, based on the state of our roster, that we should....tank. I don't really care about any of the QB's in the top of the draft but there are some potential defensive guys who can be cornerstones, and we already have a guy with all the physical tools you want in Corral. It would suck to end up at 7-10 or 8-9 and still make the playoffs.

I didn't say I fuging WANTED HARTMAN. I said if I had to choose between taking Stroud first or Hartman later, give me Hartman later. McCall isn't a system QB. Yall say he's a triple option QB but he threw for 400 yards and 3 or 4 touchdowns a week ago. He broke Tua's passer efficiency record. McCall is Coastal's offense whereas Hooker and Stroud are a product of theirs. You put McCall in an Ohio State uniform and it would be about the same as Stroud. The point is that much like the 2022 draft, there are no QB's worthy of a Top 5, or even 10 pick. You don't reach for a QB at one. There is no Trevor Lawrence, Cam Newton, Mahomes, etc. type of guys. Maybe you take Bo Nix on Day 3? But you don't take Stroud at one, sorry. That's a reach. You go Best Player Available all draft.

Rhule

Looks like you're the only person who got the point of this thread. I wasn't saying we are a playoff team. What I said was that we are one game back in a hapless division. As you said, we will probably be in first place after next week. People want to come in here and suggest I'm saying we are a legitimate playoff team, I'm not. What I'm saying is that at the mid point, we may actually end up being in 1st place. It's absurd.

I didn't say we would make the playoffs. What I said was we are ONE GAME OUT. That's a fact. You're adding commentary to the basic fact I provided.

Did he?

If we win here, we are 1 game back in the playoff race in the NFCS. It's 2014 all over again.

Didn't we all know this already? Everyone here wondered why CMC wasn't getting enough touches and then why we were trying to force him the ball. Just run the offense. Holy poo... App State is in the house with Wilks and Tae Hayes now.

Is it though? Worked for the 49er's and several other franchises including the Jaguars who now have an elite core of talent.

Are you really comparing Stroud to Herbert? The problem with Stroud is he is actually less gifted than Justin Fields and he's throwing to more 1st round wide receivers than we have here behind an offensive line that, within the context of the Game, is better than what we have. Stroud, like Hooker, plays within a system that excentuates what they do well which does not translate well to the pro game as we saw with Haskins and now Fields. You have to look at what the guys do well. I'd rather have Bryce Young at number 1 if that was an option. Stroud and Levis look like Day 2 picks to me. So if I have to take a QB on Day 2 or Day 3, I want McCall because he will probably be there. I don't want us to reach for a Stroud or Levis and set out team back even more. 2023 needs to be the ultimate BPA draft.

McCaffrey was a handicap for every offensive play caller we've had. For some reason they felt they needed to force feed him rather than just run the offense. This is on the play callers, not McCaffrey.

This is nice, but we need to lose man. We need that top pick in the draft, not 8.

If we can get up 14-0 on the Bucs, we could have conceivably played better against everyone else we've played. I know the Bucs are a little down at the moment but Brady is Brady. As for the Bucs, I figured Arians stepping down would be a bigger issue than people acknowledged. Bowles is who he was in New York.

Ruined the season.

So not going for it on your own 20? We aren't trying to win here dude. We need to lose. Tank, trade back three picks, get three or four first rounders, two years We will be in the Superb Owl. If there was a Josh Allen type, I'd say go for it. But I think Corral can be a franchise guy so I'm inclined to build out both lines.

Mike Evans has single handedly taken away three scoring opportunities.

Tepper is making a call to the locker room right now.

Steve Wilks may be worth keeping if we can get a QB and play makers on offense. My bet slip is looking BAD. fug.

Please no. Hooker is who he was at Virginia Tech, he's just with a generational offensive minded head coach in Josh Huepel. There is no QB in this draft worthy of the number 1 pick. Your options are to take BPA or trade down to get more 1st round picks. Levis and Hooker are 2nd round or later talents.

If Steve Wilks had a QB and a great offensive coordinator, the team he could build may be great. He may be a Sean McDermott type honestly. Would not be mad at him being retained. Defense is light-years ahead of where it was three weeks ago and the guys really seem to be playing hard now.

Vilma again? It's obvious he still dislikes the Panthers in everything he says.

What is there to be excited about in this game? Seriously. This is worse than 2010 where we at least had some optimism in a rebuild and some interesting, core players. Our core guys are now Brown, Chinn, ans Burns and even those guys may be traded while the game is going on. There is nothing exciting about this game or this season.

Maybe I'll go back and dig up the threads on Micah Parsons so we can see how wrong everyone was and who was wrong. I'd imagine many of you are in this thread saying the same thing about Anderson that you said about Parsons.