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Maybe he wants a place that has their poo together where he can get an honest shot, because he is running out of chances. He wouldn’t get that here. (The honest shot part). 5 OCs in 5 years was it? Now on number 6? He is gonna be well versed and maybe a quicker study from all that. I hope he plays to his ability.

I know Smitty called DJ his spirit animal ha ha, but this is a great example of stats not telling the real story.

Check 2022

If they have other plans for Chinn , well they are gonna have to trade some to get skill players. I was wondering if there are an quality guys blocked by a great player, in any of these organizations they pulled these coaches in from. They got coaches from all over, should be a couple teams are high on but don't have a starting spot.

Can he pass a physical? Curious in general but for trade purposes?

Maybe it is the money he wants or maybe it is they feel they have another option? Maybe he doesn’t want to play with a rookie, wants to win? Maybe wants to see where Jackson goes. It would be nice to get some clarity though.

No argument that IF the player works out right the price wasn’t an issue, I have been focused on if they have the bright future, or not. Crap shoot. Apparently the Bears don’t think any are as good as Fields or why wouldn’t they trade him and take one of them? Who here is sold on Fields?

The value of the pick in a vacuum is a small bargain, depending on your DJ Moore rating. A lot of people question the value of the QB prospects which isn't the same discussion. It is a ton of bad if they don't use it successfully.

Oh manI shouldn't argue again but.... I don't think blaming people is productive, it isn't likely an accurate charge, etc. It was said in plain English when he was drafted that he was a developmental pick. The defined it that way. I wasn't against it, I tend to like the smaller risk investments that are not immediate payoffs. So it was never in the plan for him to step Right in. That is revisionist. It is unfortunate that Rhule handled the QB position the way he did, for three seasons and last year, adding Mayfield was just muddying the waters further. I hope there is agreement that had Corral not gotten hurt, he would have gotten plenty of practice reps through the season even if with the scout team because PJ would likely have been cut. He would have gotten a year in the QB room which I don't know how that worked with him on IR but anyhow, this is the year he really could have been competing. But you know, he got injured. If he is on track for clearance to play in July as I heard, and with a new staff, this is just a bad break to start his NFL journey. I can't blame Reich for letting him go given he doesn't have a ton to go on and the player just won't be ready. Maybe they IR him again, and do have some interest in keeping him. But then, Reich who is (rightly) seen as a far better QB man than Rhule, scouted the kid, no doubt. So maybe even a healthy Corral wouldn't have gotten him excited, but he probably would have been wise enough to see what was up before moving him out. Again, it comes to a cliche even: the best ability is availability. Life in the NFL. Pro sports. If he is any kind of victim he is a victim of circumstances. And his own frailty I guess. Or fate. I don't see a person to make the bad guy moving forward.

I am missing this great D people are saying we are going to put out there. How does that work? There are 3 or 4 really good pieces. They are blowing up the scheme/system and changing it. Maybe it will be, but why assume the D is gonna be great? What is the basis for that claim? We got a very young and green DC which looks to have had compensation for him being hired away as a value add meaning it wasn't 100% a purely based on skill hire. Sure, they supported him very well with Capers' mentoring and extra eyes, and maybe it will be great. But immediately? I think that is wishful thinking when you look at history and see other overhauls and system switching situations with other teams. I think the deeper they dig the lack of draft picks hole, it becomes more difficult to get good quick on defense. Someone surprise me and justify the optimism please. With real world good reasons, not the normal fan boy wishing poo.

I don't see how anyone can say he got screwed by a person. He got injured. Had he not, he might have seen the field last year. Everyone else did. I don't know who to blame that on, but I am sure someone has it down to Rhule, Fitterer or Tepper and the crowd will follow.

It is a circus now anyway, go ahead and draft the midget.

Yeah I guess I was triggered. By the hate. The irrational judgement that works like: our coaching staff is So Great. They can coach up any QB … as long as it is one we trade all our picks for. Only those quarterbacks though Talk about another and the coaching means poo. We have posters making up that Darnold doesn’t care about getting better because….. he didn’t change his routine? It is ridiculous. Just, anything to demean the guy and anyone that says they see something in him right along with him. And Gase, Peyton Manning? Whoever threw it up that Gase was good because….. well who do you really think ran that show? Go ahead, say Peyton Manning at that point was successful because of Gase. It will make you feel better.

Oh I could put him on a par with Moore. Say what you will. Don’t care. People do not want to admit that Darnold got better. I am just wishing people would be honest instead of clinging to what I see as the need to be right meaning they made statements here they don’t want to take back. Is that you? I don’t know what statements you have made but it seems you are invested in the Darnold is trash narrative. At least be honest about what you are seeing. He did play better in 2022. He did show potential. He is as young as some guys people want us to draft. If you believe Greg Olsen, see what he had to say about Darnold in games he called. I was against the acquisition to start with and 100% against picking up the option so if you want to call me a Darnold fanboy fine go ahead but it it is wrong. I am pretty impartial. Throwing him out, is a worse mistake than tossing Corral. Though he is not under contract and Corral, is. So I guess it isn’t the same thing. But you guys that think Darnold could not win with a decent team around him, I disagree.

Son, he was NEVER going to beat out Mayfield in camp. It was not going to be allowed. Edit: and we all saw Mayfield. Suck city.

Yeah and that licking poo off the wall? Disturbing imagery. Ruined my lunch.

I don’t know. If he isn’t gonna be ready by camp, or they figure him to be too far behind to meaningfully compete, that’s the breaks. Also, you have to figure Indy scouted him too. Maybe there is something there. [makes me wonder if there is anything in the Indy combine blogs or something from last year]

It doesn't have to mean they are unwilling. They could be willing but if he is not going to be ready to compete they have to focus elsewhere. I don't see where this is leading to anything that could impugn this staff's football IQ, attitudes, if they don't have enough to stick with him. It's just circumstances. It would be disappointing if he went elsewhere and started in the next year or two, and did a great job. No doubt.

Jameis Winston gives me the creeps though.

People are unhealthily obsessed with the NOW. Desperation clouds minds. Nothing wrong with fixing a QB if you can do it. But they have bad experiences that just push it all deeper and make it harder to rid them of the bad. They go high to bad teams and that is a recipe for snafu. Like my rescue cat (inherited) some things are in so deep they will never change , that seems to be a problem with these recycled QBs though some of it is they just failed because they weren’t good enough in the first place and were overdrafted by bad desperate teams. Hmm. Wonder why I don’t want to trade up at this price? I say find one you can fix that hasn’t been NFL a programmed by someone else. Find ten you can fix. Seriously, put a bunch on the practice squad and start training them. If we get raided we have more. Competition mixed with a great opportunity brings it out of some people and you will see who to focus on. Keep the best and shuffle out the rest. Only you really know how they are doing so poaching is a crap shoot. Okay one reason people will shoot this type of plan down is that it doesn’t get us a Super Bowl this year. Or next year. Apparently they hate that. Probably a lot of other reasons that wouldn’t work, and a lot of people here are just waiting to tell people why they are dumbasses, so come on. I’d just like to long term solid develop something that lasts. To me that is more valuable than immediate gratification and what might follow that without solid foundation. The Rams are a great example. They got their year in the sun, now it is time to feel the pain for a while. Meh…. Rather have years of good where the chance to compete for that SB is consistently realistic.

[responding to La Pantera)There is just no way you can call it good on Corral’s part though, regardless of the play of others that made it more difficult. There were scrubs across the LOS too. Anyhow I think I actually said I wouldn’t judge him off of one time. I didn’t say anything about what they saw in practice and meetings because I don’t know. If it matched that on field failure then there is your answer. A lot of people mention that preseason game. One, a second look may get a different reaction, or not. 2) there it is for quick and easy viewing. That’s all it is.

https://nflreplay.net/condensed-ps-week-1/ That leads to the condensed speed watch version of the 1st preseason game vs Washington. 4th quarter is Corral. He completed his first pass. That’s it. At least one should have been caught but he wasn’t good. In his defense neither was the protection. But on one play he just threw the ball without really having a plan other than please someone on our team catch it. He couldn’t have had a specific target in mind. Really ill advised throw. Horrible ball security. Okay it was his first pro ball experience. You don’t condemn him to banishment over that, at that point in his development. But if it were to keep happening you surely would take him off the field. Overall I didn’t think he looked as horrible as I remembered but no way you could call it good. Make up your own minds, watch the 4th quarter.

Lisfranc was a bad break for him. It is touchy recovery, and we don’t have any information about how he is coming along. Then the timing. It doesn’t seems as if he is gonna be ready to compete. I am looking at all that before I am looking at coaches liking or not liking him. But man he better hope somebody burns whatever hard drive his preseason play is stored on.

You have some kind of syndrome. Try the same standards you are putting on this Darnold with the rest of the quarterbacks we have had the last 20 years and see how that works out. You can find entire off seasons where none of them “could be bothered”.

Mayfield way too high.