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That Eason thing could be viewed as fortuitous. Maybe not. Need to look for stuff on their time together. Synchronicity? I honestly cannot allow myself to care about Bryce Young’s skills at QB. How good he is or could be, immaterial. Endorsing a player of his size that high in the draft at that position, breaks every rule for me. Cut and dried. If this guy were 6’3”-6’4” even everyone would be justified all the way. 6’2”? Elevator going down..

As far as the Panthers inquiring, they need to know where every domino is likely to tip. They need to at the least dig up a feel for where he will go, as putting any good intel into the pot helps when they are cooking up the plans, as in plan A, plan B etc.

I loved watching Engram play in that big comeback playoff game. He was all business. I want one.

It was a radio interview so I didn’t actually see him do anything. Did you hear/see his comments? I haven’t even watched Richardson play one time. Don’t think I would be included in his fan club. But, the approach of taking a guy this year and signing the best vet QB we can sign, I like. I don’t even shy from Carr and a qb at #9, or later. You cannot really go wrong having two starting level QBs if the draft pick worked out. I guess you could trade the wrong one. Anyhow, make the Carr deal so you can bail after three at the most, and proceed with stocking the QB room. I don’t generally indulge in fantasy but I imagine how cool having some brain trust that was all about developing QBs and being selected by or spending time in Carolina became like, an endorsement of a player. Step right up, bring your draft picks. We’ll make more.

I thought Fitterer lit up talking about him and that extended through the comments immediately following, about the new regime and QB development. Edit: in the Kyle Bailey wfnz interview.

ehh, I’d rather take another shot to stave off watching two years go by with no high picks and a poo QB they took because…. we have to draft our own, NOW. Hell a properly officiated game in Atlanta the Panthers Would have been in the playoffs, as bad as they were. If Rhule would not have been such a dumbass they’d have never brought in Mayfield maybe this poo would be better resolved. Throwing Darnold away for a new flavor of not great either, just new…. that’s what they did last year.

I just wish I didn’t have to look at him in an action ad on this site all season after he was gone. Like pictures of your hot ex gf cattin it up after your breakup. Sort of.

People saw what he did last year. Most of it was good. Some was really good. I think Wilks did him right in bringing along slowly. I am going with, because I can’t overlook it: he has the prototypical physical gifts a passer needs and he is mobile. And 25. And we have a supposedly top QB whispering staff. I just don’t see trading up for some kid who wouldn’t beat him out in a legit competition, as being ideal. Maybe I am wrong about the guys in this draft, but I haven’t forgotten about Darnold. Who knows how this goes.

Still a win. I believe you are underestimating the effects of those. Honestly you are talking around these threads like a spoiled child. Like lots of Panthers fans. I want it now. Now. NOW! Don’t care about the cost. I don’t either that much but it needs to be kind of set in stone that this is what to do. So obvious that even I can see it. We are not there, and a mistake (with those stakes) really buys you some misery. edit: I didn’t really mind the latest Athletic mock where we went #9 and a later pick to move up two or three spots for a guy. It is the massive wager of the next 5 years or even ten to get out of a mess you made yourself. Like, time to stop digging the hole deeper.

For the record, this team has had five solid seasons of losing. I have a hard time (with) complaining that we won’t go deep in the playoffs the next couple of years if we sign Carr. My number one goal would be to establish a winning culture. You have to win to do that. Carr would mean we would be likely to get that done. You can always go deeper in year three or four when you have your successor, who has been brought along in a winning organization, by a pro. Hard to overvalue having a competitive team that will have a lot of wins, will bust down the two in a row wall, and maybe go on to three or four or five straight winning years. Depending on how they draft starting now. edit: if the team doesn’t want Carr, fine. I guess. I mean, if they know the6 can get Mr young long term starter in the draft that’s fine. I don’t believe that person would realistically be there for us if he exists.

The full potential of the coaching staff. Hmm, how does that work? Give them a full of talent kid who really only needs tactical coaching, he has every tool and mechanical refinement. Will your full potential be needed on a guy like that? Take another on, say you have a guy like Minshew. Change it to Darnold. Whatever, I can’t think of the best example right now. I bet they have to work a bit harder. You might be working to your full potential. I think they are most valuable if they knew to take example one. First test of their abilities. Because they were good enough to know the difference between that guy and others like him that bust out. If you get the right qb it doesn’t matter if you gave two 1sts or three. Bu5 if you get the wrong one, you will think dammit Darnold or Minshew was sitting right there and we were so damned smart. You will be thinking g that for YEARS.

Carr. I was dead set against another reclamation project but I don’t trust any of these QBs enough to bet the farm on. This team is ready for a QB and Carr isn’t a reclamation project. He isn’t chopped liver as they say, Panthers would probably be favored to win the division with him, I would think. For that matter if a QB they love fell to 9 you they still take him if they felt that strongly. I wouldn’t expect that to happen but if so, it’s a problem that can be lived with better than no QBs. And we need a room with at least one to train. Two being groomed is better but if Carr is the guy they will need an experienced backup.

Against making exceptions to the no 1st round picks on RBs rule. Unless you're hiking the ball to them.

I can’t imagine being unhappy with this after the first 5 Tepper seasons. It is looking maybe a little excessive with the ex Panther connections but those seem solid as heck if you take that away. Making it potentially massive. You can redefine (for those who missed it the first time), reinstall the personality and values of the organization. And do it with the most credible proponents you could want here teaching the newcomers. That could be really impactful long term (look how long it took the Raiders to totally eradicate ‘Commitment to Excellence’ once it took hold. Decades). And newcomers, Evero isn’t someone I knew much about but I am a defensive football lover. More so when they played a contact sport but anyhow Evero is the up and comer that checks all the boxes right behind Ryans. And has more experience coaching football as far as it goes. He should be bringing us some good defense. The LB coach he brought has a nice little track record too. It all looks good. Looking at the players he has to work with, it might resolve some of my feelings about passing up the picks for Burns. There is just no way you pass on that for your light and fast no run stopping 4-3 DE. But in another alignment it might be more understandable. Few UFAs and Lots of picks. More talent than the typical last place type need a new coach team. It is a pretty good situation. The only thing they can really screw up is the first big thing they are gonna do. Which I won’t bitterly hold that against them if they don’t throw draft picks out the window doing it. Missing on your first rounder at 9 is a big setback but happens and shouldn’t kill you. It gets a lot worse the deeper you go. I will support anything you want to do at QB except trading the future for a fantasy. I really hate it worked out this way for Wilks and wish he could be part of it because I think they are going to do a good job here finally. And I have a much better feeling about Tepper than I ever had. Better not go overboard here though.

Nah, use 9 on someone that can be introduced to the NFL game the way the people we have hired to do it, will do it. That ship has sailed with any young QB who underperformed relative to his draft position. Let’s call their heads empty vessels for the purpose of this point, we want to pour Carolina style of playing in there and not have it be arguing with something someone else put in there.

Fair enough. I do remember that being the situation this year now that you mention it. My 1st cuz is a Raven’s season ticket lifer, lives up there and uses his tickets. I should ask him what the scoop is, I bet it would be as good an answer as you could want from a non pro. Will try to remember to ask him.

Gonna say no thank you to Lamar in this situation. Lamar seems to be a mobile first type. Maybe I am not as educated on his game as I could be, but that is what I see at first glance. That isn’t a long term plan I want to get behind. But okay, he *was* MVP. So I want to hear more. Now I look at what kind of extras the team will have to include like draft picks or players. I am starting to get a little negative. Then mostly negative. Because before you get to the bottom line, there are the financial demands. The weight of which can sink the ship. I’d be hoping the Bucs or Saints ‘win’ this one.

I know history. I see history here. Over and over. Darnold did not lose that TB game for us, despite what people type. And if he did, … nah, he didn’t and that’s enough of that. Of course people can see he has issues to overcome. What I saw was progress. The guy is still only 25 years old with 5 years of NFL experience and he has been through 5 different OCs I think. Maybe he can’t overcome it but I see what I see and that is a player who showed progress last year and has the physical tools that are not that common. Did I say he is 25? Oh yeah, I see that I did. Someone is going to place a higher value on him then you and those that agree with you do, that is the one thing I would bet on in all this. If I bet. There are a lot of guys who are late bloomers. Everyone doesn’t learn at the same rate. Is this right or wrong? Rhetorical, I know the answer and so do you. Is he one of them, that Will succeed later? You have to answer that for yourself. I don’t think it is something we can know. Meaning I don’t think the flip side is something we can know either. I get bothered when people declare their opinions as truth, and are dismissive of other opinions. I have to remind myself that that is okay, some people are late bloomers and will get it eventually. Me, I think the book is still open and should be. You don’t. I am not going out to buy a Darnold jersey, just looking around and seeing people want to mortgage the future big time drafting a player that Sam would probably easily beat out in a fair competition. At this point in time. That doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.

I think Sam can play and some people are holding on to a narrative from two years ago. Go ahead and leave me a pile of poo. I know it’s coming. But as far as here, it depends on Reich and whoever is brought in to oversee the offense. What was an advantage for him last year, a year in the system, is not there now. And they are likely to have a plan to move forward with someone they are more familiar with.

So Sean Payton has a system that will help old heave and hope Wilson’s passes find the right color Jersey? That will be fun.

Hope he shines. I am all for him, think he will make a better HC than DC to tell the truth. So hope he kills it and moves up to get a real shot at having a team of his own.

I couldn't argue real hard otherwise. That was bad. I didn't feel the need to go on 4th like people wanted, that can be defended. But blowing a lead like that, and just giving it to them so easily after it already happened once, you can't defend anything about that. I don't expect perfection from humans I just expect them to learn. And even with the other bombs I still think he earned the job and would have fixed some mistakes ands made new one. I was really impressed with him. I do understand why Reich, and of the offensive others, I was probably best with him.

Checked in right on time for this. Noted, but come on. There are degrees or levels of confidence in the prospects of these prospects. I think you know this. I am not making a professional judgement on these QB prospects but I surely hope the people who are pros have a high bar for can't miss and the maturity, restraint or whatever, to say no if they don't truly measure up. I have my Rhules too, on measureables, and they are about on a par with his (but mine are free). One of mine that is not negotiable is no shrimps at qB. No fast little scatback types. i am sorry. Love Mugsy Bogues, love small dudes that do hang with the big guys but this is the NFL and it is the premiere position. No Chris Weinkes either. Guys who were two and three years older and more mature than their competition in NCAA. And I like my QBs to be passers first that's for sure. Bottom line is if the men that run things aren't doing their best to hide their excitement over a top 3 draftable type, I don't want them making the move. That's all. edit: move, means a big trade to move up.

I see all this praise for the Offense QB genius we have hired and how he can take a number one pick and coach/develop him into a star. Sounds great. If you have a can’t miss number one, and you can get him. What I have not seen is people saying what he could do for a current player that hasn’t quite caught on the the speed of the NFL game or just hasn’t put it together. Like what the Panthers have been trying to do the last two years post Bridgewater. We have any guitar players here? There is an analogy waiting to be made that applies. Or could. Formulated from the fact that a great player can take an average instrument or even a bad one and make it sound great. I used the word ‘fact’ because that absolutely is a fact. Anyone who has handed their instrument to a great player, and isn’t one themselves, knows this well. Fans may be overlooking the possibility that our best shot in the current scenario could be taken with a proverbial used Mexican Strat… in the hands of a great player. I am as sick of the reclamation bargain bin as anyone else, but the last three times we did not have a guy that could do much with them. Now we do and that is what makes it different this time around. One more time with the right people involved probably gets us somewhere, and still sitting with a 1st round pick to use on offensive weapons, defensive beef, etc. I just don’t think any of these college QBs are worth not having a first round pick for the next two or three years. A bad draft day decision there at this point would mean years of setback. Years. Who sees a can’t miss that we would have a shot at? Not me. I don’t believe there is one. So I won’t flip out all over the top Huddle style if that is the way they go.

Well, I have to say, Tepper won me over with his stupid smile. I was against him, and for good reason. From the start. But I saw how he is actually trying to be a good dude and does seem to be able to self assess, and try to learn from his mistakes. Now I have to reconcile that with the guy that thought up buying his ex boss' house and destroying it. Okay. Reconciled. He hasn't done it again.