SmokinwithWilly

Not what I was thinking when I said that. Probably should have said playoffs contender instead.

No. We may limp in at 7-10, 8-9, or 9-8 but are we really a contender in the playoffs. No.

We want to win but also recognize that 1 player cannot do it all. This is a team sport and if you lack the ability to build the team around the 1 player, you end up with great offensive numbers and a 4-12 record. Or for an even better example, look at Cam. We never built a consistent winner with someone who many on this message board say is a HoF QB. Having a QB is the most important piece but if you lack the ability to build around it, what difference does it make? FAs aren't coming to Carolina to win a SB. I have my doubts the league would even let him after all this mess. This is just an entertainment company and they can influence the outcome of games without consequences. We are going to have to pay people to come here. We are not a Super Bowl contender right now. We're not a playoff contender. Yeah, you've got the one big piece, but you've crippled yourself in every other area required to build around it.

People were saying, including me, can he be worse than Miller? He did lose weight. He said he worked to get himself into better shape for the NFL. If I'm a DC I'm blowing the poo out of the Elfein-Miller holes. Miller acted like he didn't give a poo what happened. There's no place for that. Brown could end up being absolute poo. Do I trust Rhule to be the judge like he has been? I do not. He thought Elfein and Irving were day 1 FAs. He tried to make BC play all over the line even after he had a better showing than Irving in TC and he kept getting bowled over inside. Maybe Campen can fix some of these issues. Maybe not. But there's no point holding roster space for Miller when the best thing he can do for the team is not dress on Sunday.

Imagine that

I think people are having a hard time not talking about it. This is obviously a hot topic and would be extremely difficult to only discuss from 9 to 5. Media knows this and with a little prodding, people can't contain themselves. This is more a Tepper issue than Rhule.

Actually, the worse case scenario is we make this trade, keep losing and after 3 years Watson decides he doesn't want to play for this shitshow anymore and would rather go to a winner. We would have no franchise QB, a team with little to no young talent, and in the same position Houston is in now. While not unfavorable to get a boatload of picks, it still means rebuilding and more losing. And for those who think he wouldn't do that, he just forced his way out 1 year after signing a huge extension.

Hard to say. But the open space is still better than Miller.

Yeah. I should have specified FS. Deep safety is not his game.

That's because they recognize the value of Chinn and that Rhule is a complete idiot for trying to make him a safety.

Last time I can remember a team doing a straight up QB salary dump it was it was Cleveland and Houston. 2nd rounder for 16m in cap space in the Brock Osweiler trade.

Chinn should have been DROY. Rhule neutralized his best defensive weapon. He makes more of an impact when used correctly.

5th and swapping 6ths. Good receiver got dirt cheap.

So if we do land Watson, what's his restructure going to look like? 10 year 550m? Don't want to trade all those assets and not have him on a long term deal. Currently his contract is up in 4 so we would have our first chance to aquire elite level college talent in the last year of his contract.

If it were TB12, I could see it to an extent. Dude has 7 rings. Watson has a couple of 10 win seasons and coming off a 4-12 season. Slight difference.

Beat me to it.

This could be the system working 1000% that we just can't see, yet.

It's OK to put your foot down. But so far Tepper has been stomping on turds.

Another Watson thread. Yay!

It's the Rhule version of the wildcat. 3 QBs. Who's getting the ball.

Similar to what RW wanted in Seattle. Now he's a Bronco.

The way that headline reads, the Steelers don't want him because he wasn't found guilty.

We really needed to see what we had in BC this year in anticipation of a tackle rich draft. I hope BC can develop into a stud LT because if we trade for DW, he's going to have to be. I think Campen can do a number with this line, as long as we have players with enough talent to be developed.

It's going to be really sad if after all of this, and all we likely give up for Watson, he decides to play out his contract and go elsewhere. Of course we can franchise tag him, but would you really want to have to force your franchise QB to stay where he doesn't want to be? He didn't want to be in Houston playing for a bad team and bad coach. Is Carolina really going to be any better.