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I assume OP is like 13 years old based on several of his posts in this thread. Why continue to engage?

No. Coker was our best WR last year and has a good shot at being our 2nd best this year.

Luke is a lock. Look at his accolades and Patrick Willis who retired at similar young age and got in. 89 has pissed a lot of people off and I think he’ll have to wait a while — unjustly. Both should’ve been obvious first ballots, but alas, here we are. Both will get in eventually but I think Luke will come first. He frankly should’ve been first ballot. LOVE TD and Greg but neither is a HoF lock, not even super likely. Maybe get in down the road in a weaker class, but I expect neither to ever get in. Panthers legends without a doubt though.

Sucks that there's no camp fan access this year (and next year? I forgot how long it'll be). Even for free I never had much interest in fan fest. But I loved watching regular training camp practices/scrimmages at Wofford, that was awesome and free (well, aside from travel, accommodations, etc.).

Dude is obviously jacked and strong but does anyone else think his forearms look tiny for a NFL RB? Maybe just the perspective in that picture…

People read way too much into small sample sizes in training camp. Look, I hope for the best from Renfrow and that he's fully recovered from injuries and rejuvenated and can have a nice comeback season. But even at his best he was an average slot receiver who compiled his way to a single 1000 yard season (in a year Derek Carr threw for 4800 yards). He has been horribly ineffective in 27 games since then and out of the league for a year. Coker showed more to me as a UDFA rookie last year than Renfrow has shown in his entire career, frankly. Thielen yes is near retirement and basically just a locker room guy at this point but he's also still been wayyyy more effective than Renfrow recently. And JT also has shown a ton of potential and ability as a pass catching threat and will be on the field nearly every down. I'd be shocked if he has less targets/receptions than Renfrow. I'm not super high on XL frankly (thought Coker was better and showed more potential last year), but I think it can be assumed he'll be top 2 with Tet. Hey anything can happen. Maybe Thielen shows he's lost more than a few steps rapidly, TE becomes forgotten in our offense, XL gets benched and Renfrow does have that great comeback year. But as it stands now I doubt any of those things happen and 1 practice in August isn't changing my mind. We'll see what happens throughout camp and once pads come on and the young guys and rookies naturally earn more opportunity and playing time. Maybe it'll be a different discussion then, but Renfrow's last 27 games and year off FAR outweigh 1 practice.

1. Their ages are completely irrelevant. 2. Thielen had more yards and over twice as many TDs in 10 games last year than Renfrow has had in 27 games since 2022. So yeah, he probably should have more playing time and opportunity. Not to mention JT and Coker who both have been considerably more effective as receivers than Renfrow has been recently and who also have the consideration of needing playing time for their development.

I don't care about what random people on social media say, they are completely irrelevant. What I've seen here is people saying it's dumb to hit the QB, and they agree with Canales' comments on it wanting it to not happen again. "Attack" is such an outrageous exaggeration, if an NFL player's skin is as thin as yours and considers it an attack then dude will never ever succeed anyways. Telling him not to touch the QB in practice will have zero effect on his effort or intensity. He did something dumb and got called out on it. Move on.

because all the great defenses in the NFL hit their QB in training camp. Every single coach in the league currently and historically would agree with Canales here. Period. Quit being a clown

If he's top 3 in receptions then our offense has a real problem.

Yeah, he's making the team without a doubt. The real question is how much playing time will he get? He's definitely behind XL, Tet, and Thielen. Coker was fuging awesome last year and is almost certainly ahead of him too. So he will get time in 5 wide sets or occasional spells but I wouldn't expect much production from him. Nice depth to have though in case of injury.

Maybe Luke will make a triumphant return

We have a bunch of injury prone players which concerns me and I’m not so sure about Lee or our team D with this group, but gotta love that there does appear to be a real culture shift with new ownership and front office. Still need to be patient but I think this team might finally be on the right track after decades of being trash with our absolute ceiling being a round 1 playoff loss, or more recently, play-in blow out loss. The Hornets being good for once would be fuging awesome for the city, and for the league.

He's not a starter but he's completely fine as a backup still. Top 50 QB in the league EASILY.

I’d be surprised if Canales didn’t get a chance to handpick a QB before getting the can. But this is Tepper so yeah you’re probably right. Start out 1-3 and Tepper might fire him lol

Bryce ended last season at least 10x better than his play pre-benching. But that's mainly because of how truly atrocious he was in year 1 and at the beginning of last year. Like just flat out mind bogglingly bad for a 1st overall pick. Sure Reich and the team around him were a shitshow too, but Bryce started out even worse than Clausen was. His play after the benching showed me he can be an NFL QB, but still very very few hints of the potential to be a legit top tier franchise QB and a guy who can win a SB in anything other than a 2000 Ravens or 2017 Eagles type season where the D is that insanely good, or everything else goes right as in the Eagles case, for example. I just don't see Bryce being anything more than an efficient game manager at his peak. Nothing about his game says to me that he'll be a player that other teams actually try to game plan for. Could that be enough for us? Maybe, but I would strive for better and would not want to give that type of QB a 2nd contract. We'll see how he does this year with a legit OL, seemingly decent offensive coaching (and consistency there with the staff returning), and now a possible top skill position group too (yes the WRs and TEs are young or coming off injuries but the talent is there and a lot has been invested in the positions). In my view there are no more excuses this year and it's time for him to really put up or shut up. 5.5-6 out of 10 seems pretty fair, I'd still go lower like 3-3.5, but it was at a negative 10 when he got benched so certainly trending up going into this season.

Lol I actually don't have much hope for the team this season. I think the D will be a mess and Bryce will suck again. Hopefully I'm extremely wrong on both of those counts but I don't think OL and skill group strengths will be enough for the team results to show up. I do think it's possible we're on the right track in building this team up, but I suspect we'll need a new QB and just more time to add young talent to the D.

Honestly think we'll wind up having a top 10 skill position group. Hopefully that along with OL and decent coaching will have Bryce looking like the franchise QB we all hoped he would be.

figured as much -- bummer that he wouldn't participate here when all those other core players and teammates of his did. oh well

Cool, actually looking forward to this. No Cam in the interviews though??

Yeah that would be dumb. I’m far from sold on Bryce and think more likely than not he’s gone within 2 years, but Kyler sucks and is paid way more

They thought Romo would save them LOL. How short lived that hope was for cowgirls fans. Was a lovely thanksgiving. As horrible as the ending to that season was, man the ride was an absolute joy, especially compared to what has happened in the decade since that season. Miss prime Cam, Luke, Greg, TD, Kalil, etc. so much. We have some young promising guys but not a single player on the roster since like 2020 has felt like a true Panther and leader in the mold of those guys. Shaq was solid and a great team guy but we haven't had anyone with the intensity of that leadership group from 2013/2015.

It's going to take time to really evaluate new ownership. I still have some hopes that they can get us past the curse of the Jordan years. We got screwed over by the league with the lottery yet again, nothing in this draft was ever going to make people happy after that happened.

I really can't believe the hype this dude has gotten this offseason because of a handful of slightly above average games to close out last season. Granted slightly above average is lightyears ahead of where he was pre-benching, but still. Not buying into the hype until I actually see something on the field that resembles a top tier franchise QB. Haven't seen that yet.

Posted before in this thread, he broke his leg late in 2015 after being dominant in the slot that year too, pretty sure that injury prompted us to sign Finnegan out of retirement (who to his credit was great as a late season injury replacement off the street). Not that it would've made much of a difference in the SB anyways with our OL getting killed, but we got absolutely decimated by injury at CB late that year with Bene breaking his leg and I think Peanut Tillman tore his achilles or something in like week 16. That was rough. But yeah Bene was truly a great slot corner, one of the best in the league, before that injury. Then in 2016 he came back out of shape and without the agility he had before and was just not good. Rivera inexplicably matched him against Julio without any adjustments that game and then we cut him. He had declined enough anyways but I hardly blame him for the Julio game. Dude was a slot corner who was already struggling that year, not someone you matchup against a guy who at the time was easily a top 3-5 WR in the league, if not the best...