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@Cdparr7: “What do you say to the total yards over the same amount of time or even per attempt? Or total TDs over the same amount of time, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, etc? Throw the full comparison out there. “ I say it’s stupid to compare total stats (explains why you would use it) when one QB started all the games in that span and the other spent many as a backup. That’s why we’re looking at “per game” production. Let me simplify it for you… If Trubisky and Carr had the same amount of attempts rushing and passing per game, and we assume everything else remained the same, here’s what the stats say you could expect from both per game: Completion %: Carr - 64.6% Trubisky - 64.2% Passing Yards + TDs: Carr - 248 yards + 1.5 TDs Trubisky - 235 yards + 1.4 TDs Rushing Yards + TDs: Trubisky - 17.5 yards + 0.2 TDs Carr - 10.5 yards + 0.08 TDs Turnovers: Carr - 0.7 INTs + 0.56 Fumbles Trubisky - 0.9 INTs + 0.42 Fumbles To my original point, the difference in Carr and Trubisky from a production standpoint doesn’t seem to validate a ~$30mil difference in pay per year. I’m not arguing that Trubisky is the better QB. Only showing why I believe you could get 90% of Carr’s production for a fraction of the cost with Trubisky.

3 years totaling $9.5mil with $4.5mil signing bonus would be good with me. Then draft Abanikanda in the 4th and we’re good, not great, at RB for the next few years.

You and I have a different opinion of Moore. I see him as a 25-30 type WR. That’s still good enough to be a #1. But I also view Darnold as a 25-40 caliber QB, and I wouldn’t mind an upgrade. He’s better suited as a backup. I believe Moore would be an exceptional WR2.

Not when you look at total TDs as I mentioned. And the additional passing yards per game for Carr is a product of 7 more passing attempts per game. If Carr kept the same yards/attempt he’s put up over his career, and only threw 27.6 times a game like Trubisky, he’d average 196 passing yards per game. 10 more than Trubisky while rushing for 17 yards less per game. Try actually interpreting the data before calling someone handicapped.

They did it for me: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/the-top-wide-receivers-in-the-nfl-2022/

Some people want to pay Carr $35 million per year to give us what Mitch Trubisky could for $6mil Both have 64% completion percentages. Add in the rushing advantage Trubisky gives you and Carr amounts to ~3 more TDs a season. Crazy talk to give this man over $100mil to play QB.

I can come up with 25 pretty quickly. Thats before we see what this rookie class has, although it’s regarded as a weak WR class.

It looks like all teams (except the Bears) in the league were between ~16-28%. That's not a huge discrepancy.

Many are sleeping on Sam Laporta imo. He’s my 3rd favorite TE in this class behind Mayer and Kincaid.

I don’t know why. I think in ~1.5 years, Bears fans will be wishing they traded Fields for picks and selected Young.

I disagree. Hopefully someone will do that research so future generations will know if those who’ve lived it truly think it’s worth it. I have had too many conversations with men who only played football for free and remember it fondly. The overwhelming majority of those I talked to would do it again.

You think if they could go back and had the choice, 100 to 1 NFL players would choose not to play?

I hope it’s not from the Panthers.

For every one of these guys, there’s probably 100 who would say it’s worth it and would do it again if they could.

It was pretty funny with the valentines and all, to be honest. I wouldn’t have done it or been proud of my son if he did, but I laughed.

Yea, it’s crazy to look back at what used to be. I understand those differences. I also think Lamar’s last couple of years should be heavily considered in the negotiations, and not just his former MVP tag. Apparently, the Ravens agree.

I like all of our 2022 draft except the Corral pick. It should have been Howell or <hindsight> Purdy later. I believe the unfortunate injury to Corral will provide cover for the front office on that draft mistake. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong in 2023. After one year, I’d go… 1st: A (hit on one of our biggest needs) 3rd: F (would have said D if not for trading up) 3 picks in 4th-6th: B (good potential guys who all flashed when given opportunities as rookies) 7: C (7th rounders are above average if they make the final 53. Since he hung on elsewhere and we had a lot of DBs, I give it an average grade).

I’m asking why he wants more guaranteed than Mahomes, and with his style of play and durability concerns, it seems the Ravens are taking a smart approach. That’s my last comment to you on this topic as you clearly can’t avoid bringing race into every discussion.

3 years ago, Patrick Mahomes signed for $45mil per year with $63mil guaranteed at signing. I’d be happy to throw a $35-40mil per year, long-term deal at Lamar IF after 3 years much of it is baked into roster bonuses like the Mahomes contract. Everyone is bringing up the Watson, Murray, and Wilson deals. I think it’s logical to ask why he deserves more guaranteed money than the best QB in the league.

Apparently they save ~$5mil in cap space. They certainly won’t acquire an All-Pro for 5mil. I guess they’re starting the Tank for Drake or Caleb early.

I don’t understand the Bobby Wagner release. It costs them cap space to release him this year, right?

Why?

The only hypothetical where I’d like this is if we sent Burns, Moton, and one/two of our 2nd round picks for #1. Then we select Bryce Young at #1 and Skoronski at #9. Sign a DE in free agency and we’re looking good for the next decade if we hit on those two picks.

It’s more likely a player would ask for more money to stay in a location they do not prefer. That may be what’s happening and would have the same effect.

ESPN graded YGM the 8th best edge defender in the NFL last year in run stop win rate.