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Burns + Moton + both 2023 2nd round picks should be enough imo. Trade back from #9 to acquire more picks. Target a tackle to replace Moton (Broderick Jones?) and I like Isaiah Foskey at DE/EDGE. That would also free up ~$20mil in 2023 cap savings that can be used to secure an off ball LB and safety. Draft TE Sam LaPorta with our 3rd round pick and a RB (Spears/Abanikanda/Mitchell) with one of our 4ths then we’re ready to roll.

If I were a pro QB, I’d take 25 million per year instead of 40 to play for the Panthers. What am I really going to do with 40mil per year that will make my life extraordinarily better than earning 25mil per? My answer is nothing that would overcome playing QB for my favorite team in my home state. Not claiming D Jones shares that sentiment.

No way he’s a top 5 RB as a rookie. I don’t see it.

I’d rather have AT Perry in the 3rd and Johnston in the 1st. I’m a fan of Branch too. If we’re looking safety help, he solves that. Then you can move Chinn to the “fast LB” role we’re looking to fill. Add a TE in the 2nd/3rd and we’ve addressed a lot of areas with two of our top picks, just not the biggest area.

Yea, he’s probably best in class at that too.

It’s their overall career numbers, and I wasn’t selective in choosing stats. Completon % Passing yards Rushing yards TDs INTs Fumbles That’s a pretty good base level to determine a QB’s production. FWIW, I don’t want Trubisky to be our next QB. I just don’t want to pay Carr $35mil a year for what would be modestly better performance than what Trubisky would provide.

I missed that interview. I know most of their messaging has portrayed shipping the #1 pick and riding with Fields. Most of their fans seem to want Fields to stay. I don't think Bears fans (or front office staff) are the best QB evaluators.

Same. I would trade Fields for a haul and draft Young if I were the Bears GM. We seem to be the minority though.

I just don't view them as wildly different QBs in 2023. It seems with QBs, there are many people who rely on the eye test. That's the kind of perspective that sells you on a Justin Fields, convincing you he's your franchise QB, when he just led you to the #1 overall draft pick.

Presenting the stats that way was an attempt to simplify and show that Trubisky is nearly as successful on his pass attempts as Carr. I stand by that. Clearly, some posters have shown an inability in looking at the raw stats as is without going to "total this, total that." Look at his per game stats. Carr's are not $30mil better. I hope no one would argue Trubisky has had a better supporting cast over that time. Sure. Of course the type of offense, skillset, and coach's trust should factor in to player evals. At some point, production comes in to play. Question for you.... Looking at those per game statistics, do you view Carr as far more productive than Trubisky per game?

@Cdparr7: “What do you say to the total yards over the same amount of time or even per attempt? Or total TDs over the same amount of time, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, etc? Throw the full comparison out there. “ I say it’s stupid to compare total stats (explains why you would use it) when one QB started all the games in that span and the other spent many as a backup. That’s why we’re looking at “per game” production. Let me simplify it for you… If Trubisky and Carr had the same amount of attempts rushing and passing per game, and we assume everything else remained the same, here’s what the stats say you could expect from both per game: Completion %: Carr - 64.6% Trubisky - 64.2% Passing Yards + TDs: Carr - 248 yards + 1.5 TDs Trubisky - 235 yards + 1.4 TDs Rushing Yards + TDs: Trubisky - 17.5 yards + 0.2 TDs Carr - 10.5 yards + 0.08 TDs Turnovers: Carr - 0.7 INTs + 0.56 Fumbles Trubisky - 0.9 INTs + 0.42 Fumbles To my original point, the difference in Carr and Trubisky from a production standpoint doesn’t seem to validate a ~$30mil difference in pay per year. I’m not arguing that Trubisky is the better QB. Only showing why I believe you could get 90% of Carr’s production for a fraction of the cost with Trubisky.

3 years totaling $9.5mil with $4.5mil signing bonus would be good with me. Then draft Abanikanda in the 4th and we’re good, not great, at RB for the next few years.

You and I have a different opinion of Moore. I see him as a 25-30 type WR. That’s still good enough to be a #1. But I also view Darnold as a 25-40 caliber QB, and I wouldn’t mind an upgrade. He’s better suited as a backup. I believe Moore would be an exceptional WR2.

Not when you look at total TDs as I mentioned. And the additional passing yards per game for Carr is a product of 7 more passing attempts per game. If Carr kept the same yards/attempt he’s put up over his career, and only threw 27.6 times a game like Trubisky, he’d average 196 passing yards per game. 10 more than Trubisky while rushing for 17 yards less per game. Try actually interpreting the data before calling someone handicapped.

They did it for me: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/the-top-wide-receivers-in-the-nfl-2022/

Some people want to pay Carr $35 million per year to give us what Mitch Trubisky could for $6mil Both have 64% completion percentages. Add in the rushing advantage Trubisky gives you and Carr amounts to ~3 more TDs a season. Crazy talk to give this man over $100mil to play QB.

I can come up with 25 pretty quickly. Thats before we see what this rookie class has, although it’s regarded as a weak WR class.

It looks like all teams (except the Bears) in the league were between ~16-28%. That's not a huge discrepancy.

Many are sleeping on Sam Laporta imo. He’s my 3rd favorite TE in this class behind Mayer and Kincaid.

I don’t know why. I think in ~1.5 years, Bears fans will be wishing they traded Fields for picks and selected Young.

I disagree. Hopefully someone will do that research so future generations will know if those who’ve lived it truly think it’s worth it. I have had too many conversations with men who only played football for free and remember it fondly. The overwhelming majority of those I talked to would do it again.

You think if they could go back and had the choice, 100 to 1 NFL players would choose not to play?

I hope it’s not from the Panthers.

For every one of these guys, there’s probably 100 who would say it’s worth it and would do it again if they could.