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Rivers>>>>>>Ben and Eli The Chargers are a terribly ran franchise and would have been the Browns west of it wasn’t for Rivers all those years

My dream scenario

We have no where close to the resources the Dolphins and jets do.

Who says I’m not? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand football. Again go read my original post, idc about their grades, who is graded higher than who, I have film saying Moore is just as good as Adams you have no film saying the opposite. Like I said you and me can go clip for clip instead using grades which is a more sensible way of determine who is better. Also it’s not about grading better it’s the fact that Brown played better than Adams, no if, ands or buts about it. The film doesn’t lie

Why do you need grades, you don't trust your eyes and knowledge of the game??? Yesterdays games was a perfect example, Hollywood Brown should of over 120 yards and 2 TD with a better QB but I bet PFF gives Adams a better grade for being schemed open

Disagreeing with what? The don’t put stock into more important stuff coaches find tangible thus the grades they give out are dumb. Not that hard to understand, you like to put stock in meaningless grades.

They watch more players but understand the concepts and what makes said receiver better The easiest way to find out who doesn't know anything about football is if you disagree with the actual coaches in the NFL. I'll stick to the coaches and film you stick to the cute algorithm

Might as well stop following theirs cause judging by the evidence you provided they don’t watch much film either. Or you can always just take pointers from the actual coaches and how they guard said WR. Much easier way to find who’s the best WR that way.

I’m faulting them for lack of context. But at the same time I have never put much stock on their grades. That’s why in my OP I said reason 8956 (or whatever ) not take pff serious. You just went out of your way trying to justify those grades without much film to show for it.

The highlights I posted show every major target Adams had, and you got nothing to show for it. it’s pretty obvious they emphasize possession WR over big play guys who garner more attention by opposing D. By pointing out Beasley over Hill your pretty much agreeing with me in that the grading system is extremely flawed, you just don’t want to come out and say it. It seems defensive coaches put as much stock into the grades as I do. They probably see them as a cute internet click bait article. My top in no order are Hill, Moore, Digg, Mclauren and AB. All guys that can beat you in anyway you want.

That’s the whole point of my thread, they can come up with what ever quacky equation they want, that spouts out the grades but at the end of the day there’s a ton of film evidence and coaching decisions that say other wise. The pff grades might say Micheal Thomas was the best WR last year but the opposing defensive strategy says otherwise. They might say Adams was the number 1 graded WR on there site but the film shows Moore having done more with less. You can go with the pff grades I go with the tape and coaching decisions. When Bill Belichick is willing to leave the so called number 1 graded WR on a island one on one, while doubling the 18th graded WR one 80% of the plays, don’t you think it’s time to reevaluate how they are grading these players. It seems pff likes to emphasize other non important aspects of the receiving position while completely avoiding more valuable aspects. I can tell you right now Tyreek Hill does more for the chiefs offense than Adams does for the packers and pff doesn’t seem to care for that.

That’s the point of my thread, the grades that pff give out don’t mean much if they have Moore ranked 24th when in reality his just as good as Adams. Chris Simms who does rankings also brought this up last season. Last year Micheal Thomas who is a possession receiver was their number 1 graded WR, yet opposing defenses never double Thomas, matter of fact a lot of times he’s getting covered by safeties, backers and nickels, so how come pff doesn’t take that into account? Over the last couple of seasons why is it that Belichick has only doubled 3 WR that I can think of (AB, Julio and Tyreek) According to pff grades Belichick should be doubling guys like Adams and Thomas but all the times he faced those guys he never did. Ever give that much thought? That smartest coach ever is willing to double a guy like Tyreek over the pff number one rated WR These are highlights of Adams of every major catch in 2020, I counted 3 maybe 4 difficult catches and 2 great YAC plays, outside of that its a clinic by Rodgers of throwing dimes. It also shows Rodgers extending plays allowing Adams to get open, which I have no clue what so ever how pff accounts for that.

Cause anyone with football knowledge knows Robby isn’t on DJ level, so theirs no point in arguing.

If Norv is good at one thing is drawing up a good run game and force feeding his RB just ask LT. How much times in 2019 were we getting blown out by double digits and Norv or his son kept handing or throwing the ball to CMC against prevent D playing off coverage. Bonafon was averaging over 6 ypc and Norv still wouldn’t use him

I understand how it works and it makes no sense. For one they are bias (The article on Allen), and most likely not watching the film more than once. Like in that specific play since Samuel made a circus catch they probably didn’t even credit Moore for what would been a TD. Since you are agreeing the system is flawed, how about we go play by play. You show me evidence of Adams great receiving expertise not aided by Rodgers perfect passes and I’ll do the same for Moore. It can’t get anymore fair than that right?

Your using that word valued to loosely, considering the fact we have a horrific record when Mccaffrey gets a ton of receptions. So how valuable are those receiving yards? And yes Turner did Mccaffrey favors by force feeding him, it made his stats look better than what they really are. oh and Cook can also catch considering he’s had a higher yard per receptions than CMC on numerous seasons.

Show me for that game then since DJ only ended with 18 yards I want to see if he ended the same if he would have got that 70 yard TD

You do know the only difference between Cook and Mccaffrey has been health and touches. Cook has more 100 yard rushing games while playing less games and getting less touches. Mccaffrey had Norv who force fed him to the point of exhaustion. Im against drafting RB in the first much more in the top 10. So yes I was for Cook in the second round

They say they go play by play, but you haven’t provided any evidence behind that. I said give me that specific grade for that still of Moore of what would have been a 70 yard TD, you don’t have that grade cause pff doesn’t have that grade. I said give me the individual grades of those two passes, one a perfect throw by Rodgers another by underthrown ball by Teddy, again you didn’t show me it, why? Cause either they don’t have it or the grading system is so skewed that Adams is getting a better grade for doing less with a better QB. Your telling me to give you a better grading system, I’m asking you show me the grades for those plays. Ive asked you for the third time what does Adams outside of route running do better Moore? Show me on film. Show me how Adams would be more productive with Bridgewater as his QB than Moore would if Rodgers was his. I don’t need to watch 90 WR to know who is better than who, I can tell you right now DJ is better than 99% of WR in the league. Just like when Smith was being held back (even though Delhomme is better than Teddy) DJ is being held back.

I know for a fact I do.

The problem it’s not even close to perfect, they have 23 WR ahead of Moore, and I’m willing to bet it has more to do with QB play than anything else. These guys are not watching the film more than once like most panthers fan are. Like I said above outside of route running what is Adams better at? I can go play for play and I’m willing to be Moore tape is way more impressive, and Adams can’t replicate those Moore plays.

Yes they do and everyone who isn’t blind can see that. Heres a well researched article about Allen and the bias the analytics community (mainly pff) has against him https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/11/25/21583324/opinion-a-quarterback-metric-amalgamation-for-your-consideration-when-evaluating-josh-allen In 2018 pre injury Cam, they were calling him a system QB, dead serious. They say his numbers were inflated cause of Norv’s system, the same system that got him fired from his previous 3 jobs. And now with Herbert they have him rated low on numerous weeks cause of something something sustainable or he’s not a dink and dunk QB like Burrow. They also seem to love Brady, when the majority of this season he wasn’t as good as his numbers indicate they still had him graded super high. Chris Simms who track record is infinitely betters than pff makes video ranking players if you want someone who watches a ton of film.

You just said earlier PFF grades differently wether the receiver is actually targeted.... so no the grading system is not fair when equating who is throwing who the ball. From the play I just posted, Adams with a perfect throw gets 58 yards, DJ with a perfect throw scores a TD, so how exactly is that graded???? How is Adams getting a higher grade for that when DJ got more separation and had to make a tougher grab? I can post multiple actual stills/film of DJ getting open and Teddy either not throwing him the ball or the ball getting severely under thrown, while getting more separation than Adams. Your just going by what pff says and posting zero evidence. Now your even starting the doubt the grades cause “it’s hard to grade wide receivers” If you understand the game of football and know what you are watching you don’t need pff when evaluating your own team and the players you are watching. I’ve watched more panthers than anybody in pff, most people in here have watched more panthers game/film than anyone at pff. It’s wether or not you can be honest when accessing other players. ive watched Adams play outside of route running what does he go better than DJ? He’s not faster, he’s not stronger, he doesn’t have better ball skills, he sure a hell is not even close to him in YAC, he’s not a better deep threat.

They don’t go into detail they ever do. They all have biases and it shows when grading there favored players. They have held a grudge against guys like Josh Allen, Cam now Herbert cause they don’t fit the mold they labeled them when giving out draft grades. ive known of pfff way before they became mainstream, they had a bunch bleacher report guys working for them for free, and all those guys all held biases and were fans of teams and certain players.

What’s the grade???? This has nothing to do with eye test, that’s a 70 yard TD with Rodgers throwing it to Moore. And since your apparently a pff subscribers did Adams get a higher grade on this play where all he did was run straight with little separation but Rodgers threw a perfect pass. Than Moore did on this play where he had to come back for the ball even though he had his man beat.