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1. He balls out, then he would be signed long term anyhow. Which means he’s still getting all that money and more. And his first year cap hit would be less than 19M anyhow. So In this best case scenario, what money is saved? 2. What improvement are they going to just let him play and start at the 19M tag in 2022? They wouldn’t let him go into a “contract” year before he ever played as shown by this very option. How many teams do you think would go after Darnold with just some steady improvement? Either sign him or move on. But there isn’t 19M clouding the decision. I told everyone on here this was as “incompetent” a front office decision as I have ever seen and not only has it already been proven true, it never made sense from the start.

Under what scenario would exercising the option save money at all?

Yep. And Teddy had value and they still only got 3M and a 5th. Nobody would sign Darnold for more than 1M right now. So why would they trade to pay more.

Little didn’t cost 19M.

That’s fine. Just doesn’t have a incorrect opinion supported by false info like the first post did.

No it didn’t. It was 16M in guaranteed base salary. Just like Darnold.

Then you are swapping something of value to get something else of value. Still has to be accounted for. And no team is paying 9.5M for Darnold. Teddy had a little value at 3M. Sam Has none. So until something changes, Kings numbers are dead on correct.

He is showing they have invested 60M in the two years since Cam left. That 60M is gone as will every QB they paid. Then they have to get another QB. Dress it up any way you want but they still spent 60M so far. Nothing King stated was false.

You still aren’t done spending over ThREE years. So it’s going to be 60M + whatever the QB costs next year. So it’s very true. You’re just trying to make it sound like they haven’t spent 60M already when they actually have.

How are they baked? That’s exactly what they have spent, and are still committed to. And still don’t have a 2022 QB signed. 60M for a below average year, an awful half season, and a guy who was on the couch as the hope for the future.

He had a lot to say about the QB situation…. On the subject of the Carolina quarterback situation: The Panthers have acquired three quarterbacks in the last 20 months to replace Cam Newton, and it’s likely they will seek another one in the draft or trade or free-agent market in 2022. That’s a historic bit of quarterback-investing. The costly rundown: March 2020: Carolina cuts Cam Newton and signs Teddy Bridgewater to a three-year contract. April 2020: After releasing Bridgewater, Carolina trades for Sam Darnold. November 2021: After the failure of Darnold, and Darnold breaking his shoulder, Carolina signs Newton. Cost Paid By Carolina The breakdown of costs, according to Over The Cap, projecting 2021 compensation for Newton and including $18.8 million in guaranteed salary owed to Darnold in 2022: Bridgewater: $31,015,625 Darnold: $23,632,685 Newton: $6,000,000 Total: $60,648,310 By the way, $4.5-million guaranteed for Cam Newton? Why? Where was the competition for Newton? In 2020, when Newton was a free agent and not tarnished nearly to the point he is now, New England paid him $3.75 million for a full season. Now the Panthers pay him at least $4.5 million for a half-season, and as much as $6 million. Traded By Carolina To acquire Darnold, Carolina traded a sixth-round pick in 2021 and second-round and fourth-round picks in 2022. The sixth-round pick was traded by the Jets in a package to Kansas City and used to pick starting guard Trey Smith, one of the bright spots of day three of the ’21 draft. The two 2022 picks sacrificed in the Darnold deal figure—based on today’s standings—to be around 48th and 114th overall. Those are the picks that Carolina will be missing next April. The Future For Carolina I think it’s great the Panthers full-circled Cam Newton back to the team he brought to the Super Bowl six years ago. The end for him and the franchise was messy, and this is the opportunity to give Newton the chance to win back the job he’ll always feel was taken from him. Good luck to him; he’s an electric player, potentially, and maybe he’ll rekindle what he once was in the next two months. But I doubt the Panthers, deep down, view Newton as more than a stop-gap, and I doubt after what they’ve seen they view a healthy Darnold as the man they want as QB1 next August. I think it’s most likely the Panthers go to market for their next quarterback. If the Panthers trade for Deshaun Watson next March, it will cost at least three first-round picks. If they trade for another high-profile quarterback, such as Aaron Rodgers, it would very likely involve the first-round pick in 2022. So if the Panthers do trade for an established starter, it would leave them without first-round, second-round and fourth-round picks in 2022. That would mean Carolina would have one pick in (approximately) the top 150 of next year’s draft, and that pick would be midway through the third round, about 80th overall. Let’s say Carolina acquires Watson, and it costs three first-round picks, a second-rounder, and a proven veteran—say, defensive tackle Derrick Brown or wideout D.J. Moore. If a trade similar to that would happen, Carolina, to find its long-term quarterback, would have paid four first-round picks (Brown and Moore both were first-rounders), two second-round picks, a fourth and a sixth, plus $54.6 million that it cost for the Bridgewater and Darnold experiments. I bet in NFL history, finding a franchise quarterback never cost that much in total. The Bottom Line Carolina has committed $60.6 million for quarterback play in 2020 and ’21 (including money owed to Darnold, unlikely to be the starter in 2022), employed the 21st-rated passer in the league in ’20 and 29th-rated passer in ’21, and is 9-16 in those two seasons. Wrong on Bridgewater, wrong on Darnold, we’ll see on a tarnished Newton. Barring Newton turning back the clock six years, the team will likely not have the quarterback of the long-term future on the roster when the 2022 offseason begins. Per Forbes, Panthers owner David Tepper is the 142nd-richest man in the world, with a net worth of about $15.8 billion. He doesn’t have to spend it all looking for a quarterback.

Being “in” on every deal isn’t always a good thing. Especially when he was part of the process that exercised the option for no reason.

Is there a place I should go to get my keycard and parking spot back? Am I still a troll…lol.

That’s because that LT had about 19M less guaranteed salary attached.

So your “explanation” is they picked up the option because it looked better after giving up so much draft capital. Something that has nothing to do with the option. Whose ego needed stroked this much? Darnold? Rhule? The fans? Part of Darnolds value was having only a 5M salary and nothing to cut if it didn’t work. They had one year to decide. If he goes Tannehil, he would be getting something similar(or lower) on his first year than 19M. Where is the financial upside? At all? Much less to bet 19M on it. And considering this front office just did the same thing with another QB the year before and got burned, it really makes it unforgivable.

Who was on an almost 1,000yd pace when traded. With a 2M salary and a non-guaranteed 9M 5th year option. Not comparable.

What kind of pick do you expect for an overpaid WR?

You ready to give up a 2nd round pick like HOU did? One that they already traded for Darnold? And CLE was in full tank mode from the second the off-season started, so the team(and fans) knew what to expect.

That’s my bad. I forgot your allergic to facts.

You mean besides Rhule? Didn’t matter. He was the only one making that decision. And seems to have had a pretty good idea about his decision as soon as he got the job. Who else are people trying to blame for it? Is there an actual name or fact you’re looking for? Maybe Rhule was lying to the reporter. That’s happened before.

How about meeting with Teddy as soon as he got the job. In NO, after the Sugar Bowl. Rhule and Cooper were at the Saints' practice facility late in December preparing Baylor to face Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. Just over a week later, Rhule was headed to Carolina to begin the journey into the NFL they once joked about. Follow the NFL all season long Everything you need this week: • Full schedule » | Standings » • Depth charts for every team » • Transactions » | Injuries » • Football Power Index rankings » More NFL coverage » On that day, Rhule hung around to talk to Bridgewater after the quarterback finished his post-practice regimen of throwing to receivers to perfect his timing. Again, the coach saw all the traits he was looking for in a quarterback. He later shared those thoughts with Carolina’s scouting department. He had Brady in the fold by then, and their relationship made it clearer Bridgewater was the guy to succeed Newton. https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/34244/teddy-bridgewater-becoming-to-panthers-what-drew-brees-is-to-saints

It doesn’t take much to install a basic plan for a vet. Especially one that can be a running threat. And he’s played with the top Wr, RB and well…TE.

I just got wind of it. And if it has been leaked, that means the Panthers made their decision by deciding to even call his agent. And Cam is in no position to say no, or he can’t claim he just needs a chance. It almost has to happen now that it’s “out” there.