SteveSmithTD89

Id argue Ryan was throwing to Kyle Pitts and a punch of practice squad players on a team, that now without him has the worst roster in the NFL. Ryan also has the respect that comes with an MVP and has missed 3 games in 15 years. I wouldn't want Ryan for a 3rd but could at least see why the trade was made. Bakers 3.1% doesn't scare me nearly as much as he's a year removed from a 1.6% in 2020 after playing through injuries last season. I'll concede Jimmy also was fighting a thumb injury and if memory serves a few of his interceptions were in that last month stretch. I just don't know that I see enough to determine that Jimmy is "much" better than Baker. Darnold? Absolutely, no arguments here. Without knowing what each would cost I can't make an absolute decision but I'd pass on either of them if they're wanting more than a 4th/5th.

He also passed for 20 TDs which was the same amount as Taylor fuging Heinicke (20) and two more than Teddy Bridgewater (18) in one more game. That TD figure also falls dramatically short of every other QB you mentioned with Mahomes (37) Herbert (38) Allen (36) Rodgers (37) and even Tannehill (21) Garoppolo also threw 12 Interceptions and his interception rate was good for 23rd in the league behind the obvious superstar QBs like Davis Mills, Daniel Jones, Jared Goff, Ben Roethlisberger, Jalen Hurts, Tua Tagavailoa, Teddy Bridgewater and a rookie Mac Jones. The two games against the Packers - in 2020 he was 6/8 for 77 (SEVENTY SEVEN) yards. Last year he went 11/19 for 131 yards and a pick at the goal line that took points off the board in a one score game. Lets quit with the revisionist history. The defense and special teams with the blocked punt for a TD won that game. You can win games with a guy like Garropolo but he is not an elite QB and has done absolutely nothing to warrant being in the conversation with any of the guys you listed (admittedly I don't think Tannehill does either) there are also legitimate concerns over his durability. You praise his one full season while ignoring the fact he has not stayed healthy in 84% of them. Now, at age 30 (31 by mid season) he has a shoulder surgery and wont be ready for offseason installments in a new system with new receivers? And he is gonna cost 25 million for one year before we have to commit big money long term/tag him? I could maybe get on board with a 6th or future 5th but anything more than that I am firmly out.

Just for fun here's 3 QBRs the last 3 seasons. A) 2018 - 61.8 2019 - 70.5 2020 - 63.7 B) 2018 - 51.2 2019 - 54.2 2020 - 65.5 C) 2018 -45.9 2019 - 45.6 2020 -32.9 Player A is Deshaun Watson, Player B is Baker Mayfield, Player C is Sam Darnold. Let me be clear, I am only driving this train based on the presumed low cost associated with a trade. If the Browns are wanting anything more than a future 4th/this years 5th I'm out. Talent is there to take a flyer in a down year for the NFC and as sad as it is... Baker would be our best QB since 2017.

Now do 2020 when he wasn't playing 12 games on what should have been a season ending shoulder injury.

I'm gonna be honest... I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. In the event that you aren't... I hope you're aware how absurd it is to latch on to something he did 5 years ago when he was 20 and try and use that to claim he is immature now. People do in fact grow up. I'm sure you never did anything in your college years you look back on now and think "God that was stupid" You can both not like and not want Baker on the team, that's fine. But this is starting to feel an awful lot like the people who would poo on Cam 10 years after the laptop incident.

I mean considering that David Carr was in a Panthers uni at one point... Don't tell me you don't remember the saucy flip for a first down he had?

If he's so immature why didn't we hear a peep out of him during the Odell saga? There is 0 chance it costs pick 6. You're looking at a future 4 AT THE MOST to outbid everyone. If Seattle doesn't want him it will be even less than that. Its one year on a fully guaranteed 18 mil, same as Darnold. Schefter came out and said one team that was in talks asked Cleveland for a pick just to take the contract. Hes gonna be dirt cheap. Perfect buy low opportunity.

Realized it as soon as I wrote it out...

And then there were 2... Baker, Jimmy G or Pick 6 There are options available and the longer we wait the cheaper those trades get.

Which conveniently only comes out AFTER the Watson trade. That is 100% a leak from the Browns front office and more than likely not true just being used as justification for the trade after they've been dragged on the internet not only for acquiring Watson but structuring his contract in a way he faces little to no penalty for his inevitable suspension. The takes just a month ago were praising Baker for his grit and toughness playing through his injury that should have ended his season in week 2. Belive the exact quote from a teammate was "You could cut his dick off and he wouldn't fuging say poo" I'll take that attitude every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Because its another domino off the board. Every other QB gets that much cheaper... Also means the saints are hitched to him at least one more year and idk about you but Winston does not strike even the slightest bit of fear into me. He didn't look good against us in Tampa and he sure as hell didnt look good at all against us last year.

Do want. Very much so. Love the cost is only going down. We don't HAVE to have him, could easily draft Pickett or Willis at 6 and sign Duane Brown. Browns can't cut him. We hold the cards here for a change. End of the day, as I've said in several threads - We are a playoff team with Baker Mayfield. He instantly at worse becomes a top 6 QB in the NFC. On top of that he truly sets us for BPA at 6: Want to draft a top 3 LT and slide them inside at LG for a year? You can. Want to take Willis at 6 and let him sit for a year and go the Alex Smith/Mahommes route? You can. One of the top two DEs fell because all 3 LTs plus Kyle Hamilton/any QB went top 5? You can. Best case Baker lights it up and we have 3 more years of Franchise tag control to negotiate a long term deal or are in position to flip him for picks if we took Willis and he's ready to roll. Worst case he flops, we suck, Rhule is gone Baker is gone, Darnold is gone and we have either a solid team for a rookie in 2023 to slide into or Willis/Pickett entering their second season ready to take over.

One more QB domino off the board. Winston to the Saints I would assume? Mariota to ATL picking up steam... Really only leaves us and Seattle for Baker Mayfield/Jimmy G. The less suitors there are the cheaper thjs trade gets. Wanted two seconds for Jimmy G? A 3rd for Baker? Here's a future 5th. Better yet, why don't you send me a 4th and the QB for a future 5th since we're eating the salary and the dead cap means you cant release them... Make that trade and have another team who want to trade ahead of ATL and Seattle for a qb? We'll take this years 1,2 and a future 1 to make it happen. PLENTY of options available and this only helps the Panthers. Also, Matty Ice - GET THE fug OFF MY FIELD!!

I wouldn't trade him for one 2nd let alone two. YIKES.

More importantly "back to ATL, possibly with a sweetener" Pllllleeeeeeeeassssssse let them give him a raise and or contract extension. Preferably with heavy guaranteed money and maybe even some void years to make it work.

Id rather have Gilmore at 2/32 than Jackson at 3/35. I said if Gilmore signed for less than 16/year it would make the Jackson deal hurt. As a fan I just hope we made the right choice.

Don't disagree. Kalil signing was bad on the surface and only got worse. Whitworth turned 40 in December. Brown will be 37 by the start of preseason. 2 year deal like I mentioned above be about all I was comfortable with. Even still I'd still take a LT at 6.

Think they're setting themselves up for BPA here. At 36 Brown clearly isn't the long term answer but if one of the top 3 OT fall you take them, kick them inside st LG for a year or 2 and run over every single team in the league. If the top 3 are all gone you've got your pick of a QB or either of the two DEs and still have a capable LT on opening day without having to rely on the unknown of BC. Id prefer Amrstead but wouldn't hate this signing if the money is right.

I'm talking like a 5th/6th round pick. Browns need to move him to facilitate the Watson deal. The 5th year is fully guaranteed, can't cut him just like us with Sam. Has to be dealt to open up cap space. If they don't want him in the AFC us or Seattle would represent the only destinations. With Baker I feel he would immediately be at worst like the 6th best QB in the NFC and we're a playoff team if the team stays healthy. We'd be able to sign him long term or tag him ala Kirk Cousins if we chose to. If we arent a playoff team then Rhule is gone, Darnold is gone, Baker is gone and we are out after round pick. It literally is a win win scenario. I'm not talking about serious day 1 or 2 assets or committing big money right now. If the team needs to win right now (and by all accounts they do) there isn't a QB out there thats going to provide as good a chance at that as Baker Mayfield.

The only QB I'm trading for is Mayfield. Outside of that I'm taking one at 6 or moving down 5-10 slots and getting whichever of Willis, Pickett, Howell is there.

After last season I will gladly take the upgrade to average. Hit on a QB be it a resurgence for a guy like Baker or through the draft with Willis, Pickett, Howell? Oh wee mayne

We do host the Browns this year

Even that may be too high. We're looking at one year rental before you have to tag and sign him long term coming off shoulder surgery. Next years 3 us the highest id go and that is probably good enough. Sam and Baker in camp on 1 year deals. If they fail, they're both gone with Rhule. With the moves made today and still keeping pick number 6 in the mix...I think we're a playoff team tbh.

Second? Nah a 5th now. Id say lower but i actually want him here and thats the offer to outbid the rest lol. Theyve lost any and all leverage. Fully guaranteed 18 mil just like Darnold.

Anything under 20 would have been a steal. Especially with the contract Kirk just got in Jacksonville. 4 years 73 is perfect considering just last year Golladay got 4 years 72 million while being 4 years older than Moore.