Mr. Scot

I think he meant Dennis Allen. Sounds like you're talking about Josh.

Dan Campbell's got the Lions trending up. Kevin O'Connell's doing pretty well with the Vikings too.

Miami's not exactly a bad example either

Compared to Rhule though?

Midseason even... He's also fired at GM, which is something the Steelers don't exactly do much either. (not that they've had reason to for the last 20 years or so)

And you can actually see it

Would you like to defend the idea that we're near the top of the league?

(credit to @Mage for the idea) So after seeing a discussion of what NFL quarterbacks Matt Rhule has defeated, I wondered what his record of victories against NFL coaches looked like. Here's the raw info... ___________________________________ 2020 Week 3 - Los Angeles Chargers : Anthony Lynn • Rookie quarterback Justin Herbert's second start as a Charger; Lynn was fired at the end of the season; he finished just over 500 in his Chargers tenure Week 4 - Arizona Cardinals : Kliff Kingsbury • Kingsbury and Murray's second year together and the first of Kingsbury's two losses to Matt Rhule as a pro coach Week 5 - Atlanta Falcons : Dan Quinn • This game would be Quinn's last as he (along with GM Thomas Dimitroff) was fired following the loss which dropped the team to 0-5; interim coach Raheem Morris led the Falcons to victory over the Panthers just three weeks later in Bank of America Stadium Week 11 - Detroit Lions : Matt Patricia • The first of backup PJ Walker's two wins as a Panthers starter; Lions quarterback Matt Stafford played through an injury this game; Patricia and GM Robert Quinn were both fired before the season ended Week 16 - Washington Football Team : Ron Rivera • This was the game where Rivera stubbornly played the now late Dwayne Haskins despite a disciplinary issue during the week...and Haskins looking awful; Rivera would come back to defeat his old team the following season with former Panther Taylor Heinecke at quarterback, largely by dismantling cornerback Donte Jackson 2021 Week 1 - New York Jets : Robert Saleh • Saleh's first game as a rookie head coach; also Zach Wilson's first as a rookie quarterback; Sam Darnold's Panthers debut, and a victory over his former team Week 2 - New Orleans Saints : Sean Payton (sort of) • The game where seven members of the Saints coaching staff was sidelined with COVID; Payton and the Saints would come back to beat us in the season ender which would also turn out to be Payton's final regular season game (for the moment) Week 3 - Houston Texans : David Culley • Culley was fired after this, his only season as a head coach; this game was arguably Sam Darnold's best moment as a panther Week 8 - Atlanta Falcons: Arthur Smith • Smith and new GM Terry Fontenot's first season; they later came back and beat us in week 14 Week 10 - Arizona Cardinals : Kliff Kingsbury • Cam Newton's comeback game; the second of backup PJ Walker's two wins as a starter; Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray was replaced by backup Colt McCoy due to injury 2022 Week 3 - New Orleans Saints : Dennis Allen • Allen is one of the few head coaches who has a worse career winning percentage than Matt Rhule ___________________________________ Analysis: - A good portion of Rhule's victories have come against coaches that were just coming out of the gate (rookies) or on their way out the door (fired) - Kliff Kingsbury is the only coach Matt Rhule has beaten more than once; nearly every other coach has either come back and beaten him later or been fired - Robert Saleh and Dennis Allen are the lone exceptions; Saleh and Rhule haven't faced each other again and of course Allen only faced him yesterday - In a similar vein, while there aren't a huge number of examples, no coach that has defeated Rhule has suffered a loss to him in a rematch And lastly, it's probably worth remembering that some coaches who actually defeated Rhule still wound up fired at the end of their seasons.

Dude, this is not a good idea

Not sure we'll see very many Panthers in here this season, but this is actually the right call for the NFL. I'd watch this...

This is the sort of thing you might want to keep in mind the next time you're tempted to make excuses for us losing.

Nobody's "choosing to be miserable". We are choosing to look at reality over delusion.

Or delusions of competence, at least... I can't believe we have people riding a Matt Rhule hype train. Do people really see him blossoming into the kind of coach that can win championships in the NFL?

Well, if you really want to brag about something like that after Week 3, maybe you should say we're undefeated against divisional opponents I' d probably wait until we see how these things play out before crowing too much though, but that's just me. (granted, you might not get too many chances to do this sort of thing if you wait)

You're half right

Don't think I'm confident saying something like that based on games against the Giants and a beat up Saints team. Show me they can handle better offenses and then maybe we can talk .

Funniest tweet in a long time...

Ho...lee...cow What a dumbass way to lose a game.

There's some redemption for Gage.

Leftwich got too cute with that last playcall.

That part I knew. I'd like a little more info.

Allen did improve a lot when Dorsey became his QB coach. Mind you, he's not my top choice, but his connection to Morgan could be meaningful here.

I'd love to know the context to that.

We don't have to see all that. When a team looks unprepared, or they get penalized too much, or players make too many mental mistakes, or when other teams make adjustments that change the course of a game, or any number of other things, there are coaching issues. The biggest sign of poor coaching though? Consistent losing across multiple seasons. We've been doing that...and still are.

You think he'd still be progressing with Urban Meyer?