Mr. Scot

Don't believe it would be that bad, but pretty much every source says the sticking point is how much of Mayfield's salary they're willing to pay. The return doesn't seem to be an issue. That makes me think that our offer is quite possibly more than I would like.

Paying the same amount I could deal with. Us paying more of Darnold's salary than Cleveland pays of Mayfield's though would feel like we lost the staring contest.

I hope not. Not really liking the scenario John floated either, though...

After all the posturing, if we end up paying more of Darnold's salary than Cleveland does Mayfield, ugh

Again, not something I like hearing

Giants royally kicked out asses last season with a terrible head coach. Now they have Daboll.

Is Walker even going to make the roster this year? I'd like to hope the answer is no but then I remember who our coach is

Jonathan Jones says we've made Cleveland "the best offer". Not sure I like the sound of that.

They added a good DT, some defensive backs and a couple of linebackers. Also acquired a very good secondary coach and a defensive line coach who probably should have retired about 10 to 15 years ago. The coordinator is still a college guy whose schemes got easily figured out last year and he wasn't able to adjust. Improved? There's a chance but it's definitely not guaranteed.

General belief at least is that he's not all powerful anymore, though he still technically has final say. The most common description of the situation we've seen is that he's now listening to and deferring more to others, for what that's worth. I also think the addition of Dan Morgan makes a difference. How much will it mean if he thinks a decision will have an effect on his job? That's probably the operative question.

I really don't see any of that happening.

Know how I know you didn't watch the games? The defense last season was good for about three games, got exposed and then looked like dog sh-t for the rest of the year.

Was he? Henderson I'm pretty sure was Rhule because he wanted him last year Gilmore was likely an agreement.

Know how I know you didn't read the article? And please. I don't give a rats ass about "riling people up". That's just a fake narrative some people use to try and score debate points. Hell, I tend to put up posts without comment because I'd rather see what people think than say "These are my facts. Deal with it!"

That second in yards allowed stat means nothing to people who know what they're watching.

Lord, I hope not. I know Fitterer hated sitting there without second and third round picks this draft.

Fitterer is the guy who repeatedly said the best path was to take a young quarterback and build around him. Not sure I buy that he's the one pushing for Mayfield.

Person's full quote from the article... I know, I know — this isn’t terribly original. But it’s kind of important, especially considering the Panthers’ struggles at the position since Rhule arrived. The third-year coach seems to be warming to the idea of rolling with Darnold and rookie Matt Corral this fall, though he refused last week to shut the door completely on adding a veteran quarterback (which is to say, Baker Mayfield). Rhule suggested it wouldn’t be that difficult for a new QB to come in at or near the start of training camp and pick up Ben McAdoo’s offense and be ready by Week 1.

Person added this comment regarding Tepper possibly not wanting to add another veteran like Mayfield... In fact, after the Panthers traded up to take Corral in the third round a couple of days after David Tepper’s comments about being patient through a rebuild, it makes sense that Tepper doesn’t want to spend much more on another quarterback who probably won’t get the Panthers any closer to a Super Bowl.

Same point it's always been. Saving Matt Rhule's ass...

Well known guy, but if I'm correct, my understanding is he was more of a part-time, rotational / situational player last year. My question would be are we also looking at him in that role or as a full-time starter?

I remember that bit