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I have heard multiple people say he has a second round grade(The Draft Network analysts being one source). But I would be surprised if he doesn't get taken in the top 10. The QB desperation is so great he will get drafted ahead of his grade.

This is the same shade tbrown at Mac Jones, although his(Jones) placement is more consistent even with both throwing to a lot of wide open guys. My point being that the narrative of him being an inaccurate passer is simply not true. He definitely has some mechanical issues to work on but those are fixable.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

If I were him, I would take this tag and bank on the fact the cap is gonna go up in 2022.

I don't think the new deals take effect until 2022 or 2023, so we will likely still be light on the cap next offseason, as well. I am assuming 100% capacity in the fall and even then I would believe it probably simply rises back up to the level it was before this year. I am also okay with the cap being lower next year, because the Saints will remain in cap hell.

I'd like to have him but we can't trade for Watson or likely keep our #8 pick if we want him. Plus he will be looking for a big deal after this year.

I remember my first beer.

I don't think the staff views him that way considering even when he was healthy he was a PS guy. It would be nice for that to be the case, however. He costs nickels.

I'd rather have a washed up Drew Brees on a stripped down New Orleans team than potentially watch Sean Peyton turn Jameis Winston's career around. Now, I will say that I would rather see Taysom The Golden Calf of Bristol than Brees. The thought of that guy starting 16 games in New Orleans causes a sudden rush of blood to my crotchal region.

Roy really improved over the course of the year after looking pretty bad in his first couple of games of action. We definitely need to seek out a starting caliber DT like Kerr to put next to Brown but I think Roy might be able to be a valuable two deep guy for a few years here. If so, he is the kind of pick that help make this rebuilding effort happen. Getting a productive rotational guy out of a 6th round pick is a home run, without any question. I am not particularly high on Bonnafon. He spent a lot of time shuttling back and forth from the PS and the active roster but was also banged up a lot in 2020. Ideally, we sign someone or draft someone to replace Davis and perhaps Reggie competes for a 3rd string role on the team. I know Bonnafon has some Huddle fans but he really just looks like the typical PS JAG that we kind of tend of overhype for 2-3 seasons before moving on.

Thanks for the rent free space in your head. Maybe one day you will be able to handle a message board discussion.

I'd rather see Brees than Winston, TBH. We know Brees is basically washed and they are about to have to blow up some of their OL in front of him. Our young OL might feast on that decrepit old man.

I sincerely hope he does. The real question is, who does he play for? At the moment, New Orleans is going to have to move mountains just to simply get under the cap for 2021. I don't foresee a chance in hell they can also afford to pay him, unless he is going to take a league minimum contract and further kick the can on some cap money for 2-3 years down the road. I'm okay with that too. Keep fuging up their cap in perpetuity.

Agreed. I actually really like Mountain West football sort of like I loved MAC football in the Big Ben, Omar Jacobs, Antonio Gates, Byron Leftwich, Garrett Wolfe days. Early 2000's. Man that was a fun conference.

I think generally you look at positional value by looking at historical draft positions and also what positions are generally the highest paid/most sought after every year. However, there are sometimes freak players at positions of lower value that sort of demand a move up the normal board or as a team you might want to lock in an elite player at a position of lower value because it is a big need for your team. IMO, without taking into account elite players in positions of lower value or team needs: Top Tier: QB, LT, Elite Pass Rushers(DE, EDGE, Elite DT's) - These guys have higher value due to their direct impact on the passing game which is really critical in the modern NFL. Second Tier: Elite WR's, Elite CB's, Elite Pass Catching TE's - I make a distinction in these "Elite" skill position players because they can be absolute game changers in the pass game. Either able to effectively neutralize an elite pass catcher or able to consistently provide mismatches in the passing game. Third Tier: Interior OL, RT's, RB's, non-pass rushing LB's, S's - These guys are typically able to be drafted outside the first round and still make significant impacts on your roster. For IOL/RT, there is typically a larger pool of elite interior guys or plenty of good college LT's that can be effective RT's in the NFL. RB's and LB's are typically somewhat plentiful but also have shorter careers than the average prospect. Safety's are another position with typically a deep pool that can extend past the first 2 rounds. Fourth Tier: TE, K, P, FB. All of these positions can be obtained relatively easily in the middle to late rounds of the draft to find effective players. In general, these guys are relatively devalued in the modern NFL.

I'm not sure I would call the Mountain West "the top level of the NCAA" but I understand what you are saying about jumping up from FCS to FBS. I will say that NDSU would probably be a middle tier FBS team, so they likely had a lot more talent that the bulk of their opponents. I don't necessarily believe that Lance deserves any more heat that Mac Jones probably does for throwing to wide open guys. It's definitely something that factors into the evaluation, without question. Hurts I'd probably wait on making that comparison yet because it was also acknowledged that Philly had one of the worst WR corps in the NFL. Lamar Jackson was a 57% career passer in college but is a 64% passer in the NFL(although he did start his career as a 58% passer as a rookie). I do agree that he will probably need significantly more development time than the rest of the top 4 QB's and will likely be the most reliant on designing an offense to make him successful. But, perhaps he can make the sort of progression that Josh Allen has over his career, which is to start out as a fairly unimpressive passer and bloom into an MVP caliber player.

So now being realistic is being negative? Is that you Marty?

Brady was a 6th round draft pick. He has always been an insanely level competitor and the stories about this are pretty legendary. That's a pretty rare thing to have so to assume someone like Jones is that guy, isn't wise. I am not a big Jones fan. I CERTAINLY would be upset to take him at #8 but if we take him in the second round, I would understand.

IMO he has a lower ceiling than Ryan does but Cousins isn't a bad comparison. I still kind of think that is really his best case scenario, however. What I will say is that he will be ready to play in 2021 versus Lance. Lance is immensely more talented but he has a lot of mechanical issues and just really needs more game reps and field experience to be at the place Jones is right now. I do wonder if that will have an impact on us potentially drafting a guy like Lance because he might need a year or two on the bench before he is ready for primetime.

Josh Allen was a career 56.2% passer. Trey Lance is a 67.0% career passer. I am not saying that he doesn't have some things to work on but the accuracy issues seem to be extremely overblown. For reference, Carson Wentz was a 64.2% career passer at NDSU.

This is making a lot of assumptions. We hope that is the case. It's also possible he is a JAG and a year off from the league will just set him behind further. TBD.

That is a fuging nightmare scenario. Jones would really have to be a Tom Brady level competitor for him to rise above his below average to average NFL skillset.

Trust me, I wasn't one on that Little bandwagon. I was against drafting him when we did and I stand by that assessment. I am fine trading for Watson. It's unlikely any of these QB's in this draft will be as good as he is, so I get the desire to trade for a surefire star QB. But, we aren't 3-4 years into our rebuild, we just got past year one. I doesn't make sense to sell off the entire team to get him.