kungfoodude

People just don't use critical thinking often, especially fans. Darnold is a proven bust QB that we are trying to unfug from being in a fuged up situation. These rookie QB's or unproven players like Tua are just raw material that isn't final form. Could be the Michelangelo, could be a turd, could be somewhere in between. And all that isn't even accounting for the factors that are hard to surmise. Nature/nurture? Are they not successful because they don't have things around them or are the situations around then not successful BECAUSE of them? What part of that scale do they fall on? It takes years to answer that question, sometimes. Even then it might not be completely clear.

I mean, if I was in Horn's shape and a fat dude questioned my cardio, I would probably be annoyed too.

Absolutely not. That is prime Hurney thinking.

I bet I can name 10 Huddlers in less than 10 seconds who couldn't name more than 10 players despite being "super fans."

I think fluff is what you have to kind of expect from the team. They aren't going to put out stuff that is going to seed discord amongst the fans nor things that will give a lot away to opponents. Fluff should really be the expectation.

I'd be pretty concerned if he didn't have that attitude as a professional.

I am quite sure I wouldn't be able to name more than about 10 numbers from memory.

I think somewhere in the $17-20 mil a year range. You gotta remember that salaries are due to make a big jump with the new TV deal so what may look like crazy money next offseason(or even this offseason if we are lucky), may not look like that much in 2023, 2024, etc.

STO and Cannon. Should have remembered those. Franklin too. That name just popped in my head. I knew I was missing a safety or two.

Nor should you. The Huddle obesses over way too many inconsequential players.

I'll actually try this: QB: Darnold, Walker, Grier RB: CMC, Chubba Hubbard, Bonnafon? FB: Some UDFA kid? TE: Tremble, Arnold, Thomas WR: DJ, Robby, Shi Smith, David Moore?, the LSU kid who's name is on the tip of my tongue, a couple of JAGS from last season OL: Irving, Elflein, Daley, Little, Moton, Paradis, Moore, Brown, Christensen, Miller, K/P/LS: Slye, fug I forget the punters name now, JJ Jansen, the 6th round kid from Bama DE/EDGE: Burns, YGM, Haynes, Reddick, DT: Brown, Jones, Fox, Roy, Nixon, some other rookie DT I am forgetting LB: Miller, Shaq, Perryman, the UNC kid S: Chinn, Burris, CB: Horn, Jackson, Bouye, Taylor, Pride So, 42. A little less than I thought but about 5-6 I am just seeing faces and not remembering names.

Almost none of the camp body signings. Probably a large percentage of the top 50-60.

I think that basically answers that question.

FTFY

Yeah, having some key vets to mentor our younger players would be nice but spending a bunch of coin on a guy on his way out of the league is, as was stated in this thread already, a very Rivera/Hurney move. Roll with what we have now. If our offseason was a success, awesome. Keep building. If it was a failure, back to the drawing board in the 2022 offseason to figure out how to keep getting better. No dumb cap moves, no lengthy free agent deals, no bad trades for vets. None of that.

Yeah, think about how long it was that we had, at best, one good WR.

Gilmore is an attempt to win now signing. We aren't even remotely close to being in that position.

Well, Horn may be an outlier too. We will see.

He's an outlier. Usually it takes 1-3 seasons before those first round CB's really start taking off.

I don't want to saddle him with too high of expectations just because sometimes there is an adjustment for young CB's. But, it is super hard not to get very excited about what he can do. All the behind the scenes info seems to indicate he is very keen on perfecting his craft. That is extremely, EXTREMELY exciting.

We should be used to this by now.

I am extremely excited about this.

I honestly wouldn't care if he took a job elsewhere in the NFL.

This is either a threat or flirting. I am not sure.

Yep. All these discussions are academic until the reps mean something. We aren't going to know anything about Darnold until we see him in the actual games. I will make this semi-hyperbolic statement, if he doesn't come out of the gates swinging against his old team in Game 1.....I don't think that will bode well for the future.