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you know why Thomas Brown is a good coach? Go listen to the proper answer about a trash group (our WRs). now go listen to Deion Sanders talk about his OL. Good luck getting the best out of them to protect your kid. He already told them they were gone lol. and I don't think Colorado is a happy place. I'd go all the way back to that Travis Hunter hit that happened on the Colorado sideline. No one cared. No reaction. And it was on their sideline. Only Sanders son did. That's weird in football. I could see how the Sanders model of coaching.....isn't going to lead to a very enthusiastic team.

sure he does. It's primarily about him and his son. it's not about Colorado. It's not about the players. It's really not even about winning games really. and if any big time college football did what Sanders did with Travis Hunter.....they would be destroyed by the media. I don't see how even the biggest Sanders defenders can defend what he has done w/ that kid. Talk about using and not caring about the kid. Sanders got blinders on.

the OL sucks. But Shedeur factors in to being the most sacked in the country.

Nah, bro, I just don't echo the language the team does and you can't handle it. You flipping your poo off a quote from Thomas Brown that it has to exactly how he said it. That can only be the truth. You got the quote. Meanwhile the same day you post Thomas Brown selling bologna about our trash WR corp to the media lol. I do understand how they work. That's why I don't use the language that Thomas Brown built this on his own from the ground up. That's PR/spin wording to make our OC sound as best as he could be. Which is certainly fine. Again, that's what teams do. But that 60% Brown spoke of? That's Frank's O. And Frank put it in there. Brown didn't have free reign to just make up an offense. And that without a doubt Frank Reich choose to get this team up and running using his base O. Although it's hard to call what he did at 0-6 getting this team up and running. you are more than free to claim anything you want. I don't give a rip. I'm not going to concede how I talk because you don't like it. As someone pointed out to you, we likely aren't actually saying very different things. You just insist people talk about things from the angle you want them talked about.

previous staff asked them to run block most of the time. and that's an easy life for a lineman. this staff is asking them to pass protect most of the time. with opposing defenses trying to tee off on a young QB.....with WRs not being able to get open. and it still bothers me that never did simple things coming in like adding a legit RB for the type scheme we were going to be running. I talked about it a lot this offseason. Hubbard and Sanders were basically the same dude. And it's not what this O was going to need often. We were going to need that traditional 3rd down RB. Who had hands, route running and most importantly could be relied on in pass pro.

16 straight seasons without a losing record isn't luck. Mike Tomlin frankly still doesn't get the proper respect he deserves in Pittsburgh.

totally agree. the way they put this team together is mind boggling. nothing fits together. one thing fits into Frank's O.....Bryce Young. The rest doesn't fit. And they aren't altering things up enough given the talent we presently have. I do fear it's just a matter of time before Bryce gets injured. You got an OL that can't protect that is asked to pass pro too much. We have been painfully predictable. Which just helps defenses attack you. You got WRs that can't get open. You got absurd pressure coming at Young. Eventually that ends poorly for Young. An outcome JT alludes to often in his vids. That, and it's basically impossible to have real QB success in what we are doing and have.

Ron was a good dude. Still is. Marty was a good dude. No one ever talked smack. Heck, Matt Rhule is in reality was a good dude. For as bad as Matt Rhule the NFL coach was.....you barely heard bad talk coming out from players given how horrific things were going. It was always some obscure report about Bob from the social media team is annoyed or something like that. maybe we do need to hire some POS like a Jim Harbaugh. That's out there cheating and being an a hole. Switch it up lol. *not serious about the Harbaugh thing.

overall in his QB school....he spends most of his time talking about what is going on around Bryce Young. That's what should make us feel good about Bryce.

yeah, I could definitely buy into Rhule being way more excited and optimistic than Ron with players. A positive and excited energy thing. but on a losing team, I think Ron is lighting into folks in a way I don't think we ever even saw a hint of Rhule doing. I don't think Rhule had that type confidence. I think the Bears LB came out a fair amount with Ron.

So....he is the too chill one? I mean stoic Ron's sideline thing was a meme. But he also reportedly wasn't that dude behind closed doors. And he would occasionally flip his poo on the sidelines at people. Ron and Fox sort of had different sides to them. Especially publicly vs with the team. Rhule was a clown that seemed to just have weird fixations. Maybe it happened but I can't recall him ever flipping out on players or reports of him having a side not seen as the bumbling doofus. I just don't know. I probably could argue it either way lol. Burns suggests it a pretty stark difference.

I edited the thread title to take out the active roster part.

I honestly can't figure out who is the too chill coach vs the overzealous one.

Campen has always been championed as one of our best coaches. But maybe when you bounce around from team to team and find yourself employed by Matt Rhule? It's as red flag. Maybe he isn't as high end as often portrayed.

Also, from preseason (where we were running our basics) to week 8…..the Frank Reich O has been called what it is. And it was highly criticized. I haven’t switched up anything. Same talk has existed all season and there was no issue. Now suddenly, as we head into week 9….people got a problem with it lol. And my thoughts remain the same as they were when Thomas Brown was given the call sheet. That each week we hopefully see more and more of the McVay influence showing up because that’s not what we had been doing. That also wasn’t an issue heading into Houston to speak on that. Thomas Brown didn't create a playbook from the ground up on his own. Panthers can say that. Frank can. Thomas can. I don't use that verbiage. I don't like the team. The Carolina playbook is Frank Reich's O and ideas from Brown mashed together. Brown even called it 60/40 and Frank spoke on his involvement. And to date, it's largely just been the old school Frank core that we have seen. Which has never been controversial until this week. Which makes sense given horrible Frank Reich was calling all the plays and it's all his baby.

lol. I haven’t been emotional about the Panthers in over a decade boss. I’m not the one in my feelings with this weird lying claim. NFL teams paint narratives. For them team. Their players. Their coaches. Just a fact. And I’m not even saying that wrong. I just acknowledge it. I simply word things different because I don’t do Panther PR. Thomas Brown himself and Frank Reich have both acknowledged Frank’s O is in the playbook and it’s no small part. And the Panthers have proven that on Sundays. It’s in large part been this offense to open the year. The one Frank called to our 0-6 start. so yeah, I’m not going to word it that Thomas Brown created our O on his own. I’m definitely not denying we haven’t been running Frank’s O on the year. The one he called to our 0-6 start. I’m a Brown guy. Have been from day 1. Problem is everything said about whoever is the flavor off the week here is comically defended even when not even attacked….if the company line isn’t maintained. Thomas Brown isn’t being insulted lol. Frank Reich certainly has been criticized, he has deserved it. Just like Fitt.

how is that really any different than me saying the core is Frank Reich and Brown and company added their own to it? It’s just worded different. And Frank clearly had been calling his signature O. Maybe when Frank was spewing junk about keeping the offense under wraps all preseason and then doing the exact same stuff when the season started…was a hint at Thomas’ stuff. But the Panthers came out the gate with the Frank stuff. An I still dont see that as a controversial take. I mean if Thomas Brown himself is saying his playbook was essentially taking 60% of Franks stuff and using that…..and based off what we have seen?? That’s called using Franks core O IMO. They just don’t word it like that

I don’t think you really understand where I am coming from. Or intend to. You seem to think I am insulting Brown. Brown and Evero have been the only things about this all star staff I liked. Which I have long voiced. the first good step was getting Frank off playcalling the next good step would be Brown moving away from the Frank Reich core O that we heavily opened the year doing. That Frank was calling. There is more in the book than that but to deny that’s what we have been doing just seems silly.

I mean for the 100th time. Thomas Brown did help create it. So did others. I mean, that’s projecting an argument I’m not saying. Im saying he didn’t build it from the ground up. Core is and has been Frank Reich’s offense. Brown and company are adding their tweaks. Company line can be whatever they want it be on that. Only this week has it suddenly been some grand issue to call it what it is. And it has been called that all season. My hope continues to be what it was when Frank stepped aside. Which I posted on. That we start to see more and more McVay being implemented into this thing. Because the Frank Reich approach is going to get Bryce Young hurt. We don’t have the talent. Just math.

I mean you can find NFL teams saying all kids of fluff going into a season and in season. You can treat it like the 10 Commandments. I don’t. We came out running vintage Frank Reich offense. Panthers saying Brown was tasked with building the O while not even being allowed to call plays here is super. What the Carolina Panthers actually came out doing has been vintage Frank Reich though.

lol, that’s not the argument. It would be the start of the convo. I mean you were the one questioning if I knew anything about the Frank O. Well, that’s where I would start the conversation. It’s a Frank signature….and if you were to acknowledge that then we could keep walking and talking and going more in-depth. Because it’s always impacted his offensives in a negative manner when the talent wasn’t there and he failed to adjust. SD, Indy and Carolina. Same issues pop. Run game and pass game.

I mean, this convo has been done before. If you want an honest one I’ll have it. If an opening to the convo is meet with me…..doesn’t matter, what else you got then I don’t think that would represent someone interested in a legit convo

I mean, if you read my posts that where I would start the convo. If there was going to be one. People demanded proof. That's not the whole convo. As I said in that post, if we can acknoledge that then we can get into how they run and pass out of it. But if basic facts of Frank vs the McVay don't actually matter....then is there really a discussion that is sought here on that? Doesn't seem like it. Because instead of acknowledging a base Frank signature.....it's just well, nah, Bryce Young voids the discussion.

I'm referencing discussions that were already had on this board in detail.

Nah, boss, no one is riled up. You simply demanding someone prove to you something and at the same time claiming none of it has ever been discussed. I'll be glad to talk about why I dislike Frank's offense. Let's start with a primary issue and a Frank signature issue. The over usage of the shotgun formation that his O runs out of. And you can go check the % in SD. The % in Indy. And now the % in Carolina. That's Frank. There is thread that has the yearly % on here. Generally speaking, a light % for Frank would be a heavier year for McVay. I mean, if you concede that, we can talk about how Frank runs and passes out of it. In an ideal world, I don't have a problem w/ that given we drafted Bryce Young. I think he needs a scheme that basically over uses it. Problem is, the issues it creates when you don't have the OL talent and skill talent to pull it off. Which we don't. And Frank's teams have struggled to adjust when the talent isn't there to be doing it. Which got him and his O booted 2x already.